Season Super Game Thread

[emkayseven]

So their plan is fraud?

this made me joker smile

[fish16]

Hope Stanton gets the standing O he deserves when he comes up in the first. Best player in marlins history and handled a lot of bullshit very well

[Namaste]

Of course he got a standing ovation.

Marlins fans miss him dearly and Yankee fans love him after his slow start.

[Nick]

Pretty impressive stuff from Guerrero there.

[Party]

Sick. Nice recovery from that inning in DC on Saturday.

[Erick]

Im fairly certain that is flatly not allowed. It is as plain an example of circumvention of the IFA rules as there could possibly be. Im cool if it works and we do that and get both, but its pretty flatly a circumvention of IFA pool rules.

I agree with tjfla on this because I know. A lot of teams do stuff like that.

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Pretty impressive stuff from Guerrero there.

Easily the most frustrating player on the team to me. He should be much better.

[Namaste]

The bottom of the 11th was VERY Marlins

[Namaste]

A kick in the groin for all Marlins fans at the park tonight.

[gustavopim]

A kick in the groin for all Marlins fans at the park tonight.

I was there and it sucked. What bothers me the most in going to Marlins park is that the crowd will not chant/clap even if its the most exciting moment of the game. Every damn game its like that.

[fish16]

Now that was a pretty abysmal game last night

[lou]

Now that was a pretty abysmal game last night

Sure, but on the longterm view, how's that David Phelps trade looking for Pablo Lopez right now?

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I agree with tjfla on this because I know. A lot of teams do stuff like that.

What moves? Not being a jerk, genuinely curious.

[tjfla]

Im fairly certain that is flatly not allowed. It is as plain an example of circumvention of the IFA rules as there could possibly be. Im cool if it works and we do that and get both, but its pretty flatly a circumvention of IFA pool rules.

Its NOT allowed but teams do it all the time with trainers. SD gives like 10 players with same trainer 300K each(most they can offer) and maybe 1 or 2 of them are worth 1 million while the others no one has ever heard of.

I highly doubt they do it but it has been discussed with Mesa Brothers people. Pay VV with 2018 IFA(4.5 million) and in 2019 they overpay for Mesa Jr(give him 3/4 million even tho not worth it)

Atlanta did it for years until they got greedy and were doing deals with trainers in 2015 for guys who weren't eligible till 2019

Cubs did it with Mexican Players until this year when MLB got tired of it and said No Mexican Players can be signed until they come to an agreement

Dodgers just signed a Korean player for 300K even tho u probably could have gotten alot more from other teams or the KBO. Why? #1 Dodgers got relation with KBO #2 He liked the team

Its hard to prove something unless it so obvious like Mesa Jr giving VV his check and saying this is yours.

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Lopez was 3rd best Prospect in Phelps trade and wasn't even in the deal until last minute

Deal was Hernandez,Provse,Schiraldi then Mike Hill said instead of Provse they will take Brandon Miller and Lopez

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Again I doubt it will happen with VV just saying it has been discussed. More likely we sign Victor Mesa Jr in 2017 and maybe make another run at Sandy Gaston then hold onto cash just in case someone defects or a team wants some cash

[lou]

Its NOT allowed but teams do it all the time with trainers. SD gives like 10 players with same trainer 300K each(most they can offer) and maybe 1 or 2 of them are worth 1 million while the others no one has ever heard of.

I highly doubt they do it but it has been discussed with Mesa Brothers people. Pay VV with 2018 IFA(4.5 million) and in 2019 they overpay for Mesa Jr(give him 3/4 million even tho not worth it)

Atlanta did it for years until they got greedy and were doing deals with trainers in 2015 for guys who weren't eligible till 2019

Cubs did it with Mexican Players until this year when MLB got tired of it and said No Mexican Players can be signed until they come to an agreement

Dodgers just signed a Korean player for 300K even tho u probably could have gotten alot more from other teams or the KBO. Why? #1 Dodgers got relation with KBO #2 He liked the team

Its hard to prove something unless it so obvious like Mesa Jr giving VV his check and saying this is yours.

Not picking on you here but...

That's a fraud.

Inducing a fraud.

Fraud.

Fraud.

Not a Fraud, good for the Dodger's brand

And yes it's probably hard to prove


This doesn't seem like something the Marlins, who have to be bottom 3 in north american sports in image, should be doing even if Victor Victor is a good prospect.

There are many ways to utilize that IFA cash - including trading it if they can't get guys they like at a value they like. I mean, Gausman is a really good pitcher (despite some flaws) with a few years of control and the Braves got him for half of what the Marlins have stockpiled. They are going to get good value out of it no matter what they do and they don't need to resort to any of this shenanigans.

[tjfla]

Not picking on you here but...

That's a fraud.

Inducing a fraud.

Fraud.

Fraud.

Not a Fraud, good for the Dodger's brand

And yes it's probably hard to prove


This doesn't seem like something the Marlins, who have to be bottom 3 in north american sports in image, should be doing even if Victor Victor is a good prospect.

There are many ways to utilize that IFA cash - including trading it if they can't get guys they like at a value they like. I mean, Gausman is a really good pitcher (despite some flaws) with a few years of control and the Braves got him for half of what the Marlins have stockpiled. They are going to get good value out of it no matter what they do and they don't need to resort to any of this shenanigans.

I know and totally agree with u. Image might be bad but Miami wants to add a top talent and see VV as that talent. Again doubtful it will happen but FO doesn't see any Cuban guys like this in the future so they are willing to discuss it

I would do what u said in last paragraph. Spend 1.5 Million on Mesa Jr(3 Mil Left in 2018) then wait for a team who needs the cash. Trade it for prospects or even draft picks in 2019. They got Chris Torres for 1 million

[fish16]

Sure, but on the longterm view, how's that David Phelps trade looking for Pablo Lopez right now?

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What moves? Not being a jerk, genuinely curious.

Ya Lopez looks like a really solid rotation guy for years to come. We have pillaged the mariners system for 2 guys who I always thought were either severely overrated (Dee) or just solid relievers (Phelps). Could legitimately have received 2 long term rotation pieces (Neidert and Lopez) as well as a good MI in Chris Torres plus wildcards in Dugger, Brayan Hernandez, and maybe schiraldi becomes a bullpen piece.

The phelps trade is an example of why they fucked up so badly not trading relievers at the deadline. I hate keeping relievers with value on a team that is bad and plans to be bad for at least another year.

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I know we are getting more into the latin american IFA market, but i wonder if the new ownership/front office has any ties to the asian markets in coming years. I know the yankees are always involved in those guys but I think Denbo specialized in latin american more than asia. Would be nice to see though. Somehow we gotta find an ace if we have a very solid base of mid rotation guys.