Season Super Game Thread

[Nick]

The year Dietrich had to play the most 2B was 2016 when Gordon got suspended. His slash line that year was .279/.374/.425. If we can get that type of production from Diaz on a yearly basis and he's not inept defensively. That's a damn good starting 2nd baseman. I don't know if I agree Diaz's potential is much above that, though.

[lou]

They definitely could have gotten more. Sierra is a 6th outfielder and cant hit at all. While Alcantara has added to his repertoire since joining the Marlins(he was a 1 pitch guy when they acquired him) he is still mostly just a guy with a powerful but inconsistent fastball and no control.

I honestly dont even know what Gallen projects as.

Alcantara is going to be Urena or Barraclough, give or take some upside/downside in either direction.

Gallen is going to be a better Burke Badenhop 4th/5th RHP longman out of the pen, who can spot or be a primary piece of "RP days" - which I think becomes more of a thing across baseball soon.

Sierra is probably an ideal bench outfielder for speed/defense. Hopefully like Jarod Dyson and is real positive.

It's going to hinge on how good Alcantara turns out to be as to whether they got the right guys for Ozuna. I think they are going to get contributors though, and its not deadweight like the Cabrera deal.

[fish16]

The year Dietrich had to play the most 2B was 2016 when Gordon got suspended. His slash line that year was .279/.374/.425. If we can get that type of production from Diaz on a yearly basis and he's not inept defensively. That's a damn good starting 2nd baseman. I don't know if I agree Diaz's potential is much above that, though.

We’ll see, but I think he has more pure power than Dietrich as well as better plate discipline. But still even if he turns out to just be Dietrich 2.0 that’s a pretty damn good 2b. Dietrich hasn’t gotten enough credit in his time here for how good his bat is

[lou]

The year Dietrich had to play the most 2B was 2016 when Gordon got suspended. His slash line that year was .279/.374/.425. If we can get that type of production from Diaz on a yearly basis and he's not inept defensively. That's a damn good starting 2nd baseman. I don't know if I agree Diaz's potential is much above that, though.

He's got more slugging potential then that, but that would be the top end OBP for sure. He can also run a bit and should be a positive on the base paths. I'm not sure he is a move around the diamond guy like Dietrich, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think Uggla's line is a good comp -.240/.335/.450 - and taken with solid defense and good on the base paths, that would be great.

[Todd]

Alcantara is going to be Urena or Barraclough, give or take some upside/downside in either direction.

Gallen is going to be a better Burke Badenhop 4th/5th RHP longman out of the pen, who can spot or be a primary piece of "RP days" - which I think becomes more of a thing across baseball soon.

Sierra is probably an ideal bench outfielder for speed/defense. Hopefully like Jarod Dyson and is real positive.

It's going to hinge on how good Alcantara turns out to be as to whether they got the right guys for Ozuna. I think they are going to get contributors though, and its not deadweight like the Cabrera deal.

You are one of the few who thinks Alcantera ends up in the rotation. People see the power fastball and kind of gloss over that his stuff is not very good. That fastball itself is pretty meh with his mediocre control.

[fish16]

He's got more slugging potential then that, but that would be the top end OBP for sure. He can also run a bit and should be a positive on the base paths. I'm not sure he is a move around the diamond guy like Dietrich, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think Uggla's line is a good comp -.240/.335/.450 - and taken with solid defense and good on the base paths, that would be great.

Lefty uggla with slightly less pure power but better plate discipline is who I’ve been comparing him too. He’ll be a good #2 or 5 hitter for a very long time

[lou]

You are one of the few who thinks Alcantera ends up in the rotation. People see the power fastball and kind of gloss over that his stuff is not very good. That fastball itself is pretty meh with his mediocre control.

It's just going by the reports and how they think he can sustain it in the rotation. They seem to really like him. I feel, for better or worse, they are going to fit him into the rotation for years and do a bullpen conversion (which like Conley) years later if they have to. I'm really ok with that though? I do understand the issues of not having 3 good pitches, i.e. Archer and J. Gray who can't catch up to their peripherals, but he's still pretty young to figure it out.

Guzman I just have a feeling is different. He is screaming reliever.

[fish16]

While they may ultimately become relievers, I like that they are keeping them as starters until it’s clear that they aren’t starters. Also, while obviously it’s ideal that they pan out as starters, they are both pretty safe as having the floor of a fairy dominant reliever which isn’t a terrible outcome either

[lou]

While they may ultimately become relievers, I like that they are keeping them as starters until it’s clear that they aren’t starters. Also, while obviously it’s ideal that they pan out as starters, they are both pretty safe as having the floor of a fairy dominant reliever which isn’t a terrible outcome either

I think it'll be pretty disappointing if Ozuna turns into 2 good RP and a bench OF, even if that is useful. Unless we're talking like REALLY good generational relievers which no one can reasonably predict.

[Todd]

The problem is the Cardinals have a pretty deep minor league system. And they just jumped at the three guys with the biggest question marks.

[fish16]

The problem is the Cardinals have a pretty deep minor league system. And they just jumped at the three guys with the biggest question marks.

This I can agree with. Out of all their of’s Sierra was the worst one. They needed to get a guy like Bader or o’neill And if not, they needed to get a guy like flaherty rather than alcantara. time will tell though. If alcantara is a long term rotation piece this all changes and we won that trade

[lou]

FG is still into Neidert, Gallen, Sandy, and Pablo. https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/to...g-prospects-2/

[emkayseven]

Holy shit this is infuriating. Ken Rosenthal has an article about the athletic behind a pay wall about how the Marlins basically only want to trade Ziegler. I won’t post the whole article here because it’s paid content, but here are some excerpts

On Thursday, officials from two other clubs told me the Marlins were willing to trade only one player before Tuesday’s non-waiver deadline – right-handed reliever Brad Ziegler, who has a 0.99 ERA in his last 26 appearances and is still owed about $3.25 million.

“I’ve been very clear that we are open to listening, but also have been very clear that our relievers, more so than J.T., are ultra-affordable, controllable and talented,” Hill said. “The biggest message I want to emphasize is that things have changed in Miami. There is a plan and a commitment to building something sustainable.

Rosenthal: 'Things have changed' in Miami and prying away Marlins relievers won't be cheap https://theathletic.com/447382/2018/...wont-be-cheap/

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I mean seriously if you don’t wanna trade Steck or JT or even Bour I’m all for it. What the hell does keeping Bearclaw or Dietrich or Castro around do?

[Nick]

My hope is it is just a leverage tactic, but it's getting down to put up or shut up time. At the very least you gotta deal Barraclough, Ziegler and Castro.

[fauowls44]

It’s 5 days until the deadline. I’d take anything a GM says with a grain of salt right now. And I’m all for holding out for the best deal. Jason Stark just tweeted that the Marlins were one of 7 teams scouting the Brewers AA team last night with Milwaukee looking for a 2B. So I don’t buy them saying they are only motivated to move Ziegler.