Season Super Game Thread

[tjfla]

Straily showcase on Thursday vs Nats, I presume. Keep reading that Nats are after Cole Hamels. How could Straily not be a far better option? Cheap, younger, and vastly better than Hamels over last seven starts.

Cubs,Boston,NYY,SF,Milw are already looking at him

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Philly,Colorado,Boston,Arizona were scouting the game last night.

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Campbell is irrelevant. Dean has earned an opportunity at a call up but is far away from being a find. Diaz is the best minor league hitting story of the year with the walk rate (which is elite) and flashing power. I guess Miller is a positive too, but he really needs to show some power.

I agree with you about the pitching though that they have a lot of arms. This could easily be a homegrown rotation and pen in 2 years:

_____, Alcantara, Niedert, Ca. Smith, Lopez/Richards/Gallen/Peters/etc.
Guzman, Steckenrider, pick 3 of Wittgren/Guerrero/Lopez/Richards/Gallen/Merandy/Yamamoto/Meyer/Brigham/whoever
Conley, pick 2 of Garcia/Peters/Quijada/O'Grady
(and Chen I guess)

That's without any trade acquisitions, which surely there will be some, and Rogers, Garret, or E. Cabrera, which is hopefully a high-end AA depth chart in a few years.

I think they need to acquire another high end SP prospect that is a top 80-120 (or better) guy like Alcantara/Guzman/Niedert, and a bunch of A ball versions of Barraclough/Steckenrider/Conley, and this should be set up to plop an ace on top in free agency in 20/21. That's a lot of guys so over half can fail and they still get the staff.

A Ball RP include Chad Smith(98-100 FB),Jorgan Cavaniero,Vincenzo Aiello,Parker Bugg,Travis Neubeck,Steven Farnworth,Colton Hock. Then they drafted about 15 RP(20-22 yr olds) in the draft

I would add Dylan Lee and Scott Squier to LHR list

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=669276

Rogers,Garrett,Cabrera,Roberson,Guerrero,Matt Givin in Jax/Jupiter in 2020

Dean will get a call because he has to be put on the 40 man anyways or they will lose him in Rule 5. Same with Brigham

Elieser will be in AAA next year as SP/LR depth. Brett Graves NO CLUE??

[lou]

Cubs,Boston,NYY,SF,Milw are already looking at him

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Philly,Colorado,Boston,Arizona were scouting the game last night.

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A Ball RP include Chad Smith(98-100 FB),Jorgan Cavaniero,Vincenzo Aiello,Parker Bugg,Travis Neubeck,Steven Farnworth,Colton Hock. Then they drafted about 15 RP(20-22 yr olds) in the draft

I would add Dylan Lee and Scott Squier to LHR list

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=669276

Rogers,Garrett,Cabrera,Roberson,Guerrero,Matt Givin in Jax/Jupiter in 2020

Dean will get a call because he has to be put on the 40 man anyways or they will lose him in Rule 5. Same with Brigham

Elieser will be in AAA next year as SP/LR depth. Brett Graves NO CLUE??

Sure, all this says to me is "they have their bullpen in house."

They need SP who can project as # 3s or better. Very few of those around with Alcantara and Neidert's pedigree, and Ca. Smith's 2017 performance, as the only things with hope there. (I maintain Guzman is a closer.)

[tjfla]

Sure, all this says to me is "they have their bullpen in house."

They need SP who can project as # 3s or better. Very few of those around with Alcantara and Neidert's pedigree, and Ca. Smith's 2017 performance, as the only things with hope there. (I maintain Guzman is a closer.)

Agreed. Guzman is a CL

Would be looking at SP who are FA in 20 or 21. The payroll will be very low

I would wait till Aug 1 to have an "Updated 2020 roster" lets see what they get in trades first

[tjfla]

Need to try to get something like this

Miami-Corbin Martin/Jonathan Arauz/low level prospect
Houston-Conley

Miami-1 of their SP(White,Alvarez,May)/Will Smith/Omar Estevez
LA-Bearclaw

Doubtful on both but thats best case

[sports24/7]

Means just that more money for the Mesa Brothers. Victor Victor is going to whoever offers him the most $. Not sure but going to say right now we have the MOST left and are just waiting for him to be declared a FA

That's what's interesting to me, though. If Mesa wants the most money, and Miami was planning to offer $2M to Gaston, were they not after Mesa originally? You'd think they couldn't afford both, could they have?

[Nick]

Bats are alive today.

[tjfla]

That's what's interesting to me, though. If Mesa wants the most money, and Miami was planning to offer $2M to Gaston, were they not after Mesa originally? You'd think they couldn't afford both, could they have?

Plan was sign Gaston and then try to get more cash when Mesa was declared.(This was before July 2) About 7 teams can't spend their cash so its easy to "find" money.

Maybe Atlanta wants Ziegler so u do this

Atl-Ziegler and Cash
Miami-low level prospect and IFA Pool Money(1 or 1.5 million)

or someone likes a 19 yr old prospect and u trade them for $$(We did for Chris Torres LY)

Its very easy(since teams are still in penalty) to find 2 or 3 million dollars IF a guy says u are a "Finalist"

[fauowls44]

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In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. @MLB @MLBNetwork

[Erick]

Pretty crazy

[fauowls44]

Pretty crazy

To be fair, Chavis is just returning from a 80 game PED suspension and Groome is injured.

[tjfla]

Jon Morosi

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In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Been saying the price for all 3 RP is nuts. They prefer a package of guys and want an overpay.

They are Not really interested in what Boston has either. They told Boston they have enough for Bour,Ziegler,Straily but not other guys

[lou]

Been saying the price for all 3 RP is nuts. They prefer a package of guys and want an overpay.

They are Not really interested in what Boston has either. They told Boston they have enough for Bour,Ziegler,Straily but not other guys

Steckenrider has a 1.3 WAR in his first 78.2 innings, which is basically a little more than a season. If he's worth give or take a "1" War in Pre-Arb 2, Pre-Arb 3, Arb 1, Arb, 2, and Arb 3, and ignoring saves inflating arbitration numbers, he makes like 5/$12 the next 5 years, his surplus value could be around $40 million. That's an awesome player to have. Even chalk it down to "$30 million" due to RP volatility.

Just doing simple valuation, https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...100-prospects/, FV45 guys like Groome and Chavis (fangraphs demoted him from a FV50, and Groome got hurt), do not come to that value. It's an easy decline without much discussion. It's how Mejia gets into the picture for an expensive reliever and a club controlled reliever.

I'd want Chavis, Groome/Beeks/D. Hernandez (i.e., one of their top 3 minor league lefties), T. Lin, and maybe another FV40 arm for Steckenrider depending on which lefty you get. It's just what the dude costs.

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If we're also assuming Conley is a good 1 WAR RP moving forward, his salary with 4 arbitration years is going to put him into the $25-30 million range of value.

Barraclough only has the 3 years left, so he's even lower, especially as he has a larger 2018 salary and saves now, he's probably only worth $15-20, where it makes sense to move him right now at the deadline as the next 7 days are the best it's ever going to be.

Steckenrider is worth both of them to me. Easy.

[lou]

Fangraphs love Conley - https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...resting-lefty/

TLDR - He's throwing harder, changeup and slider are coming around, and his pitch sequencing is predictable so he can get better throwing more changeups and sliders earlier in count - "massive chamber of potential."

[rmc523]

One more piece (Britton) and potential destination (NYY) are off the table now after the trade last night.

[fish16]

Fangraphs love Conley - https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...resting-lefty/

TLDR - He's throwing harder, changeup and slider are coming around, and his pitch sequencing is predictable so he can get better throwing more changeups and sliders earlier in count - "massive chamber of potential."

I still say you keep hIm and see what he becomes and then ifnanything trade him next year when his value is higher