Season Super Game Thread

[Namaste]

you say opening day starter as if it means anything with this roster. No one is acting like he is anything close to a top of the rotation arm. According to fangraphs he's got a 1.7 WAR already and a 3.86 XFIP. He is a really solid mid rotation arm if this is who he is longterm.

Did you even watch the fucking game? He was fucking awful.

[fish16]

Sierra getting called up for Cooper going back on the DL. Makes no sense that its him and not Dean. He's not ready.

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Did you even watch the fucking game? He was fucking awful.

Overall he's been solid.

[flamarlins93]

Most likely they area calling up Sierra because he is already on the 40 man roster and someone would have to be DFA if they add Dean. He will probably get the nod after a trade is made to open up a spot on the 40 man. If not Sierra most likely it would have to have been Lee who is even less ready to be back up.

[sports24/7]

I hope they plan on starting Sierra if they're calling him up at least. I'm sure they'll just go with Yadiel Rivera, though.

[fish16]

Most likely they area calling up Sierra because he is already on the 40 man roster and someone would have to be DFA if they add Dean. He will probably get the nod after a trade is made to open up a spot on the 40 man. If not Sierra most likely it would have to have been Lee who is even less ready to be back up.

I never get this point. I understand you don’t want to lose anyone but there are plenty of wastes of space on the 40 man that we can get rid of rather than severely prematurely calling up Sierra well before he is MLB ready

[lou]

I never get this point. I understand you don’t want to lose anyone but there are plenty of wastes of space on the 40 man that we can get rid of rather than severely prematurely calling up Sierra well before he is MLB ready

Trade deadline is a week away for Dean. Not a big deal. As for Sierra, I'm sure they just want another CF for a few days. Maybin might get shipped out fast.

[Lee Stone]

By my observation there were two "finds" among position players in the minors this year. Eric Campbell (productive journeyman) and Austin Dean (emerging late). Sierra has continued down an uninspiring path and B. Lee has mysteriously lost all the promise he showed last season. Campbell would have won some games for the Marlins in place of Rivera - and Dean instead of Shuck. Isan Diaz has shown a hint of progress and I like Justin Twine's development.

Lost in this season's story is the evolution of promising pitching. Lopez and Richards are only improving. C Smith looks like the real deal. I haven't given up on Jarlin by a long shot. He's one of a host of lefty prospects (D. Lee, Quintana, Squire, Peters) that could be contributors after this season. From the right side, Meyer has disappointed. Alcantara, Gallen and Niedert look like question marks still. Wittgren is fading. Yamamoto is a possibility. Brigham should find his way to the bullpem at the very least.

Robles would be a huge acquisition, esp. if accompanied by catcher R Read (17 homers last season). It's feelin' like the Nats won't do it, however.

[Lee Stone]

The LHR market is crazy. Teams who called on Britton are LAD/Hou/NYY/Bos/Milw/Cubs/Ariz/Philly/Atl. 6 or so are left

So 9 teams want a LHR

Bearclaw didn't lose any value. Now if it happens 2 or 3 times this week may be an issue

Love seeing Ariz/Col/Oak/Milw going hot after guys. Just adds to the buyers list

Boston and SF are going after guys BUT are looking for teams to send cash OR take back some so they can stay under Tax line.

Teams who trade at the deadline are looking for immediate help - as in lightning in a bottle. Barraclough's dismal showing (lost velocity plus absence of secondary pitches) of late will certainly give teams pause.

[Nick]

By my observation there were two "finds" among position players in the minors this year. Eric Campbell (productive journeyman) and Austin Dean (emerging late). Sierra has continued down an uninspiring path and B. Lee has mysteriously lost all the promise he showed last season. Campbell would have won some games for the Marlins in place of Rivera - and Dean instead of Shuck. Isan Diaz has shown a hint of progress and I like Justin Twine's development.

Lost in this season's story is the evolution of promising pitching. Lopez and Richards are only improving. C Smith looks like the real deal. I haven't given up on Jarlin by a long shot. He's one of a host of lefty prospects (D. Lee, Quintana, Squire, Peters) that could be contributors after this season. From the right side, Meyer has disappointed. Alcantara, Gallen and Niedert look like question marks still. Wittgren is fading. Yamamoto is a possibility. Brigham should find his way to the bullpem at the very least.

Robles would be a huge acquisition, esp. if accompanied by catcher R Read (17 homers last season). It's feelin' like the Nats won't do it, however.

What don't you like about Neidert? I think Neidert and Lopez are the two pitching prospects that are by far the closest to being sure thing contributors in the rotation for the next couple of years.

[Lee Stone]

What don't you like about Neidert? I think Neidert and Lopez are the two pitching prospects that are by far the closest to being sure thing contributors in the rotation for the next couple of years.

There is much to like about Niedert, esp. given his youth. If there's downside, I see a lot of Ben Meyer in his game (and Meyer has disappointed (surprised) me.

[sports24/7]

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Sources indicate Marlins were interested in Cuban P Sandy Gaston. At some point I’m told by multiple sources he tested positive for a PED, at which point Marlins either lowered their offer or withdrew it entirely.

I wonder what this means for Victor Victor. Obviously they have more money to offer him, but the fact that they earmarked $2M for Gaston might have meant they weren't going after both.

[Lee Stone]

Straily showcase on Thursday vs Nats, I presume. Keep reading that Nats are after Cole Hamels. How could Straily not be a far better option? Cheap, younger, and vastly better than Hamels over last seven starts.

[lou]

There is much to like about Niedert, esp. given his youth. If there's downside, I see a lot of Ben Meyer in his game (and Meyer has disappointed (surprised) me.

There is a HUGE difference in age and pedigree here. Niedert is 22 and a former 2nd rounder. Meyer is 25 and a former 29th rounder.

Yea, guys like Lomo work out here and there, but this is comparing apples to onions. Niedert is having an A+ season and is the Marlins minor league pitcher of the year when all is said and done.

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Correction - he is 21

[tjfla]

Sierra getting called up for Cooper going back on the DL. Makes no sense that its him and not Dean. He's not ready.

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Overall he's been solid.

Sierra is on the 40 man so he gets the call. Dean and Campbell should get calls up once trades are made and spots open up

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Heyman tweets from yesterday

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marlins are also getting calls on Justin Bour, Derek Dietrich, Dan Straily -- those are the ones most likely to go. also getting calls on steckenrider and barraclough obvs, but the price is very high there, understandably so.

Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman · 22h22 hours ago
no one's untouchable with the marlins, but teams that have called recently have the impression jt realmuto is going nowhere. there's no extension talk for him yet, but marlins seem to have hope he'd talk about it in winter. understandably, they see him as a piece to build around.

Bour,DD,Straily,Ziegler,Holaday are likely gone. 3 RP's are getting tons of action-LAD is in on all 3 but like Heyman said the price is very high so 50/50 chance. Castro has gotten bites but teams want $ in deals and Miami is considering holding onto him for next year

Again unless Robles or Tucker is in offer,JT is staying

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I wonder what this means for Victor Victor. Obviously they have more money to offer him, but the fact that they earmarked $2M for Gaston might have meant they weren't going after both.

Means just that more money for the Mesa Brothers. Victor Victor is going to whoever offers him the most $. Not sure but going to say right now we have the MOST left and are just waiting for him to be declared a FA

[lou]

By my observation there were two "finds" among position players in the minors this year. Eric Campbell (productive journeyman) and Austin Dean (emerging late). Sierra has continued down an uninspiring path and B. Lee has mysteriously lost all the promise he showed last season. Campbell would have won some games for the Marlins in place of Rivera - and Dean instead of Shuck. Isan Diaz has shown a hint of progress and I like Justin Twine's development.

Lost in this season's story is the evolution of promising pitching. Lopez and Richards are only improving. C Smith looks like the real deal. I haven't given up on Jarlin by a long shot. He's one of a host of lefty prospects (D. Lee, Quintana, Squire, Peters) that could be contributors after this season. From the right side, Meyer has disappointed. Alcantara, Gallen and Niedert look like question marks still. Wittgren is fading. Yamamoto is a possibility. Brigham should find his way to the bullpem at the very least.

Robles would be a huge acquisition, esp. if accompanied by catcher R Read (17 homers last season). It's feelin' like the Nats won't do it, however.

Campbell is irrelevant. Dean has earned an opportunity at a call up but is far away from being a find. Diaz is the best minor league hitting story of the year with the walk rate (which is elite) and flashing power. I guess Miller is a positive too, but he really needs to show some power.

I agree with you about the pitching though that they have a lot of arms. This could easily be a homegrown rotation and pen in 2 years:

_____, Alcantara, Niedert, Ca. Smith, Lopez/Richards/Gallen/Peters/etc.
Guzman, Steckenrider, pick 3 of Wittgren/Guerrero/Lopez/Richards/Gallen/Merandy/Yamamoto/Meyer/Brigham/whoever
Conley, pick 2 of Garcia/Peters/Quijada/O'Grady
(and Chen I guess)

That's without any trade acquisitions, which surely there will be some, and Rogers, Garret, or E. Cabrera, which is hopefully a high-end AA depth chart in a few years.

I think they need to acquire another high end SP prospect that is a top 80-120 (or better) guy like Alcantara/Guzman/Niedert, and a bunch of A ball versions of Barraclough/Steckenrider/Conley, and this should be set up to plop an ace on top in free agency in 20/21. That's a lot of guys so over half can fail and they still get the staff.