2023 Game Thread

[Nick]

Him and Arraez at the top of the lineup followed by the power bats is so much better than whatever the hell we have going on right now.

If Bruce can pony up and get both Soler and Bell to stay. Bring in Adames like you and lou have discussed, this would be a damn good lineup.

1. Arraez 1B
2. Edwards 2B
3. Soler LF
4. Jazz CF
5. Burger 3B
6. Bell DH
7. Adames SS
8. Sanchez/DLC RF
9. Whoever/Fortes C

[lou]

Also, Edward should not just be on the team next year. He needs to be starting somewhere.

Maybe, but I'd pencil him in for a 450 PA role (which I mean is a healthy 100+ starts) and let him earn more.

I don't think this is going anywhere basically.

Catchers
Bell < - I can't see an opt out
Arraez
TBD SS < - This just must happen
Burger
DLC < - I think they believe in him for at least 450 PA himself
Jazz
Sanchez
Soler < - Pretty confident Qualifying Offer/Extension

This should get Berti and Edwards each 100+ starts (so one of them is always "with Arraez" at the top of the lineup), and another 75+ for the last bench guy (Hampson? Amaya?). And that's ignoring a critical injury and time can easily be carved out of at least DLC on top of this if they lose their luster for him or Bell perform like pre-Marlins Bell. Please no yelling fish16, I am saying I think the org likes DLC and will give him a leash. Not that he deserves it. Berti also is a sneaky trade candidate to me. Similar to Rojas, exchanging for something younger (and better than Amaya of course) and that lets them roll out an Edwards, Hampson, and Amaya bench. Berti is a good player, but he's old, there is a chance he could slow down, they got Burger, and might be an opportunity to add him to some deal to help get the needed C, SS, or RHP reliever, etc. Basically, this is also a path to Edwards getting some more time. But I'd like to keep Berti though and just have Bruce you know, spend a few extra dollars to remedy a problem. That would be nice. I will totally be happy with a Berti, Edwards, and Hampson non-power bench (Amaya, Dane, Burdick, and Johnston next up) if they get a SS who can hit (Adames). Adames on that starting lineup above will hit 175+ HR and even a low-power bench and backup catcher situation could push that to around 200. That's a floor league average power (likely a little above average) which is good enough with a healthy SP staff, etc.

In any event, this will work itself out on the field if Edwards is going to hit. Hopefully the BB rates goes up with time.


Now win 4 straight.

[Nick]

If Bruce can pony up and get both Soler and Bell to stay. Bring in Adames like you and lou have discussed, this would be a damn good lineup.

1. Arraez 1B
2. Edwards 2B
3. Soler LF
4. Jazz CF
5. Burger 3B
6. Bell DH
7. Adames SS
8. Sanchez/DLC RF
9. Whoever/Fortes C

Anybody gets hurt you bring up Troy Johnston, who is clearly ready to contribute. Maybe bring in some veterans on 1 or 2 year deals like Kenta Maeda and Aaron Hicks to backup Jazz, and you're ready to rock IMO.

You've got 11 position players above, add Hicks and Hampson to the bench.

Rotation:

1. Sandy
2. Luzardo
3. Eury
4. Garrett
5. Maeda

Swingman/1st guy up if someone gets hurt: Cabrera

Bullpen:
CL: Scott
SU: Nardi
MR: Puk, Robertson (I know he's not been great, but we need RHP and overall I think he's still good, just not as good as his first half)
Rest: Soriano, Maldonado, Rogers (move him to the pen, see if he work his way up to being a late inning guy, maybe future closer?)

AAA: Max Meyer, Ryan Weathers, Troy Johnston, Will Banfield, Dane Meyers, Jacob Amaya: Guys I think who will be contributors next year.

[Nick]

Anybody gets hurt you bring up Troy Johnston, who is clearly ready to contribute. Maybe bring in some veterans on 1 or 2 year deals like Kenta Maeda and Aaron Hicks to backup Jazz, and you're ready to rock IMO.

You've got 11 position players above, add Hicks and Hampson to the bench.

Rotation:

1. Sandy
2. Luzardo
3. Eury
4. Garrett
5. Maeda

Swingman/1st guy up if someone gets hurt: Cabrera

Bullpen:
CL: Scott
SU: Nardi
MR: Puk, Robertson (I know he's not been great, but we need RHP and overall I think he's still good, just not as good as his first half)
Rest: Soriano, Maldonado, Rogers (move him to the pen, see if he work his way up to being a late inning guy, maybe future closer?)

AAA: Max Meyer, Ryan Weathers, Troy Johnston, Will Banfield, Dane Meyers, Jacob Amaya: Guys I think who will be contributors next year.

I forgot about Berti, you know maybe you deal DLC or Sanchez for a stud reliever then. Keep both Berti and Hampson on the team. Replace Robertson with that back of the bullpen guy you get in a DLC or Sanchez deal.

[Nick]

Tanner Scott apparently trying to get back to New York right now.

[rmc523]

Glad we pulled out the win in game 2. I hope we're able to win tonight, and that the Braves take care of the Cubs to either keep us tied or give us a bigger lead.

[rmc523]

Also. Shocking that Lee's overly negative prediction didn't come true...

[Namaste]

If I’m choosing between trading DLC or Sanchez, I’m trading DLC every time. We would get a better reliever for Sanchez but…….

[fish16]

If I’m choosing between trading DLC or Sanchez, I’m trading DLC every time. We would get a better reliever for Sanchez but…….

obviously. DLC has no positives to his game. He is wildly overrated as a hitter. the fact that he has gotten close to 600 ab's this year and we are still in a playoff chase is incredible. The way rod allen talked about his hitting abilities on the broadcast last night was as if he hasnt watched the guy all year. No plate discipline whatsoever. Sub .700 OPS in every fucking month outside of may. people act like he is a power hitter and he doesnt have that much power. he is a below average hitter for his career. just a complete black hole in the lineup all year outside of, once again, a single hot streak.

Sanchez is worlds better, and even he has flaws in his game. Signing quality relievers is one of the easiest things to do every single year.

[rmc523]

obviously. DLC has no positives to his game. He is wildly overrated as a hitter. the fact that he has gotten close to 600 ab's this year and we are still in a playoff chase is incredible. The way rod allen talked about his hitting abilities on the broadcast last night was as if he hasnt watched the guy all year. No plate discipline whatsoever. Sub .700 OPS in every fucking month outside of may. people act like he is a power hitter and he doesnt have that much power. he is a below average hitter for his career. just a complete black hole in the lineup all year outside of, once again, a single hot streak.

Sanchez is worlds better, and even he has flaws in his game. Signing quality relievers is one of the easiest things to do every single year.

Rod also is an annoying broadcaster period.

Dump them all except Tommy, bring back Rich, and find another analyst for games Tommy doesn't do.

If they're set on Paul (he's improved over time, but still like Rich better), at least find a new analyst - none of the current crop doesn't do it for me. Also, the irony of they couldn't afford to keep Rich, but they can now pay a rotation of 4-5 analysts?

[Nick]

Rod also is an annoying broadcaster period.

Dump them all except Tommy, bring back Rich, and find another analyst for games Tommy doesn't do.

If they're set on Paul (he's improved over time, but still like Rich better), at least find a new analyst - none of the current crop doesn't do it for me. Also, the irony of they couldn't afford to keep Rich, but they can now pay a rotation of 4-5 analysts?

Agreed, they all suck except Tommy. Tommy's not perfect, his age shows some times, but he's about the most consistent thing we've had in this organization, so there is a nostalgia to him, and I like his passion. Even for all his senior moments he still provides better analysis then the others. Get a young counterpart to him for road games, and some home games, and when Tommy retires it'll be just Paul and the new guy.

[Nick]

Severino's fine, he's been much better post Hollandsworth, IMO.

[rmc523]

Severino's fine, he's been much better post Hollandsworth, IMO.

True. Yeah, like I said he's gotten much better, i just prefer Rich. I'd be fine with keeping him, just fix the analyst spot.

[lou]

If I’m choosing between trading DLC or Sanchez, I’m trading DLC every time. We would get a better reliever for Sanchez but…….

Sanchez is too good (and cheap) to move. 82nd percentile xwOBA. DLC would fetch at least a Chargois and that's probably a good deal as that would bridge to Soriano, Maldonado, Meyer, Bender, etc. who they wouldn't have to rush. They have a real RP top end, I don't think they move a large piece for an arm. I do think they like DLC though but we'll see what they do.

[lou]

Anybody gets hurt you bring up Troy Johnston, who is clearly ready to contribute. Maybe bring in some veterans on 1 or 2 year deals like Kenta Maeda and Aaron Hicks to backup Jazz, and you're ready to rock IMO.

You've got 11 position players above, add Hicks and Hampson to the bench.

Rotation:

1. Sandy
2. Luzardo
3. Eury
4. Garrett
5. Maeda

Swingman/1st guy up if someone gets hurt: Cabrera

Bullpen:
CL: Scott
SU: Nardi
MR: Puk, Robertson (I know he's not been great, but we need RHP and overall I think he's still good, just not as good as his first half)
Rest: Soriano, Maldonado, Rogers (move him to the pen, see if he work his way up to being a late inning guy, maybe future closer?)

AAA: Max Meyer, Ryan Weathers, Troy Johnston, Will Banfield, Dane Meyers, Jacob Amaya: Guys I think who will be contributors next year.

Cabrera will have to be on MLB roster, OOO. He's also a 1.5+ WAR player *now* and you can't have that in AAA. He's good despite the inconsistency.


I think the big question is, is Sandy pitching? They should probably move Okert for a comparable RHP and DLC for a "Chargois." They can run this out quick

Sandy, Luzardo, Eury, Garrett, Cabrera, Rogers < --- 6 man rotation but never skipping Sandy, Luzardo, and Garrett. That'll buy some rest and off days for the three of them who will have innings limits

Chargois, "Guy for DLC", "Guy for Okert" <--- AAA could have Meyer, Bender, Soriano, Hoeing, Nance, and Maldonado on the 40 man. The top end comes here with Meyer eventually becoming the top bullpen option.

Scott, Puk, Nardi, Weathers <--- I think this is enough of a top end with the 3 core lefties (Puk is going to course correct from the random bombs IMO). Weathers is used as a 2-3 inning guy so he stays a bit stretched out to be the team's 7th SP if someone gets hurt. Fulton and Monteverde in AA/AAA not on 40 man.

That's all internal besides 2 pretty minor Floro/Vesia level trades for middle pen right handers. Robertson would cost a bunch and all of that money needs to go to C, SS, and any kind of 3rd hitter upgrade IMO (which is likely the Soler qualifying offer), or a Sandy replacement if that happens. Up to Bruce here.