2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

Feels like the rangers didn’t give up a ton for Montgomery and Stratton

[fish16]

We are reportedly interested in flaherty, but also dejong and Gallegos. Gallegos would be perfect. Under contract for next year as well. Dejong doesn’t do much for me

[sports24/7]

I mean Garcia has only had like 2 or 3 seasons where he wasn't replacement level or worse and one of those he had a BABIP of close to 400 for the year.

And how many seasons have DLC, Sanchez (in this case facing a lefty), or Hampson been better than replacement level?

[lou]

Angels just got Cron and Grichuk for a FV40+ and FV40. Basically, what they sent for Robertson.

They should have gotten Grichuk months ago for this price. Sigh.

[Todd]

And how many seasons have DLC, Sanchez (in this case facing a lefty), or Hampson been better than replacement level?

In all honesty 6 combined.

[sports24/7]

In all honesty 6 combined.

I'd love to hear a breakdown of that.

[fish16]

glad to see we're wasting even more of eury's innings on yet another AA start today. A complete disgrace the way they are manipulating his service time and acting as if it is injury related.

[fish16]

wow, jazz is back tonight after just 1 rehab game. Who the hell do they send down or get rid of? Hampson has actually been pretty good recently.

[lou]

I've been thinking about how to structure the 40 man next year and how they can internally get to the innings the MLB team needs doing nothing, so they can know what they can trade today and be fine later, and was thinking this per roster spot:

SP1 Sandy 200 IP
SP2 Luzardo 175
SP3 Garrett 150
SP4 Rogers 130
SP5 Eury 130
SP6 Cabrera 130
---
RP1 Scott 65
RP2 Puk 65
RP3 Lopez 60
RP4 Nardi 60
---
RP5 Chargois + Sixto/Bender/Soriano/Maldonado/Reynolds 60
SP7/RP6 Eder + Monteverde 110
SP8/RP7 Meyer + Brazoban/Hoeing 110

That's 21 guys and that's a full season of work for the staff. With some conservative expectations as there might be 75 more SP innings from those top 6. Monteverde doesn't need to go on the 40 man so they can carry that all forward as half the 40 man roster. Everyone after the + are effectively the injury replacements and inventory arms which I think is a pretty good group if the expectation is those guys are going to pitch 200 injury replacement innings or so. I think we trust most names there as AAA player call ups (especially Brazoban and healthy Bender. I even think Soriano having a 4.50 xFIP is very good as a 17th pitcher or whatever). Please no Sixto jokes as they'll keep him to spring training and DFA him if he doesn't seem healthy and makes the team. It's really a deep and fun staff. To mention, Okert is an offseason trade here to save a little money and practically, not needed. Get a 20 year old Okert not not on the 40 man in A+.

Maybe the smart move of the pool of guys is Rogers, Fulton, Cappe/Watson, and all of the Miller, Millbrandt, and all the young OF (Mesa Jr, Peguero, Gerardo) types. They'd get a lot IMO for Rogers and something real decent for Fulton + Cappe/Watson, among other rental throw ins. That sets up for the same arms next year as above and needing to sign a 4th/5th SP innings eater to replace Rogers only and that seems very doable to me in free agency for not that expensive. I think Rogers, Cappe/Watson, Fulton, Jacob Miller, Mesa Jr., and some FV40 throw-ins (Fitterer? McCambley? Pushard?) is very competitive for a transformative move if they would do it.

So if we think about the 40 man + current needs, it's really any infielder and an outfielder, and a catcher upgrade if possible. This would be the 40 man bat situation next year so I'd like to think they target filling blank lines if they really go for it right now.


Fortes, Stallings/_____, Banfield
Arraez, Johnston
Edwards
______, Amaya, Nasim
Segura, Berti, Groshans (I don't think they give up up Groshans just yet)
DLC, Myers
______, Jazz, Mesa Jr.
Sanchez, Garcia, Burdick (let's be real, they are keeping Garcia right)

Ideally it's a SS and CF (who knows about Jazz health), but it would really be any 2B/SS/3B and OF and they have bodies to move around as Amaya/Berti can handle SS and Edwards/Myers/Sanchez maybe CF.


So the pool today for me is:

Get 5 guys - a SP, SS (or 2B/3B), CF (or OF), C, and RHP reliever, for.....

10 guys ----> Rogers, Cappe(or Watson), Fulton, Jacob Miller/Millbrandt, Peguero/Gerardo, Fitterer, Pushard/other non-40 man RP arms, Sanoja/other non-40 man 18 year olds, Chargois (he is fine for other teams, but we're looking for a bullpen upgrade now for a right hander so he's the move. He has some control and is cheap), and really any other top 15-30 prospect they have to round it out. Probably another 18 year old high upside flyer.

That's 10 guys going out, and 5 coming in. And they could move Wendle and easily one of Cooper/Yuli (if they can even move them) on top of this depending on what they get back.


Let's see what they do but I think this is very doable. LFG Kim. Today's the day. Let's get Edman/Carlson, Flaherty, Gallegos, and Gleyber/Candelario, and if you can find a catcher, godspeed as options are low. They have the juice to do this for sure.

[lou]

glad to see we're wasting even more of eury's innings on yet another AA start today. A complete disgrace the way they are manipulating his service time and acting as if it is injury related.

I do find this surprising he's not throwing his next appearance at the MLB level, but I imagine this is the 3+ inning tune up and next turn he's up. He threw 45 pitches on the nose last one, so I imagine this is a 55-60 scale up so they feel good with that as the minimum for his starts moving forward. Which is frankly what he is going to do with his innings limitations (they believe this remember).

He's going to be past the super2 threshold easily in another 5 days, so this should be his last minor league start maybe forever. I'd dial this back, this is still not the end of the world. They have the 4th best pitching WAR in baseball. They've earned credibility in handling the staff IMO.

But they haven't earned credibility in building a cohesive team and establishing hitters, so let's see what they do. I really hope they don't cheap out/hold and keep holding all these chips.

[rmc523]

I've been thinking about how to structure the 40 man next year and how they can internally get to the innings the MLB team needs doing nothing, so they can know what they can trade today and be fine later, and was thinking this per roster spot:

SP1 Sandy 200 IP
SP2 Luzardo 175
SP3 Garrett 150
SP4 Rogers 130
SP5 Eury 130
SP6 Cabrera 130
---
RP1 Scott 65
RP2 Puk 65
RP3 Lopez 60
RP4 Nardi 60
---
RP5 Chargois + Sixto/Bender/Soriano/Maldonado/Reynolds 60
SP7/RP6 Eder + Monteverde 110
SP8/RP7 Meyer + Brazoban/Hoeing 110

That's 21 guys and that's a full season of work for the staff. With some conservative expectations as there might be 75 more SP innings from those top 6. Monteverde doesn't need to go on the 40 man so they can carry that all forward as half the 40 man roster. Everyone after the + are effectively the injury replacements and inventory arms which I think is a pretty good group if the expectation is those guys are going to pitch 200 injury replacement innings or so. I think we trust most names there as AAA player call ups (especially Brazoban and healthy Bender. I even think Soriano having a 4.50 xFIP is very good as a 17th pitcher or whatever). Please no Sixto jokes as they'll keep him to spring training and DFA him if he doesn't seem healthy and makes the team. It's really a deep and fun staff. To mention, Okert is an offseason trade here to save a little money and practically, not needed. Get a 20 year old Okert not not on the 40 man in A+.

Maybe the smart move of the pool of guys is Rogers, Fulton, Cappe/Watson, and all of the Miller, Millbrandt, and all the young OF (Mesa Jr, Peguero, Gerardo) types. They'd get a lot IMO for Rogers and something real decent for Fulton + Cappe/Watson, among other rental throw ins. That sets up for the same arms next year as above and needing to sign a 4th/5th SP innings eater to replace Rogers only and that seems very doable to me in free agency for not that expensive. I think Rogers, Cappe/Watson, Fulton, Jacob Miller, Mesa Jr., and some FV40 throw-ins (Fitterer? McCambley? Pushard?) is very competitive for a transformative move if they would do it.

So if we think about the 40 man + current needs, it's really any infielder and an outfielder, and a catcher upgrade if possible. This would be the 40 man bat situation next year so I'd like to think they target filling blank lines if they really go for it right now.


Fortes, Stallings/_____, Banfield
Arraez, Johnston
Edwards
______, Amaya, Nasim
Segura, Berti, Groshans (I don't think they give up up Groshans just yet)
DLC, Myers
______, Jazz, Mesa Jr.
Sanchez, Garcia, Burdick (let's be real, they are keeping Garcia right)

Ideally it's a SS and CF (who knows about Jazz health), but it would really be any 2B/SS/3B and OF and they have bodies to move around as Amaya/Berti can handle SS and Edwards/Myers/Sanchez maybe CF.


So the pool today for me is:

Get 5 guys - a SP, SS (or 2B/3B), CF (or OF), C, and RHP reliever, for.....

10 guys ----> Rogers, Cappe(or Watson), Fulton, Jacob Miller/Millbrandt, Peguero/Gerardo, Fitterer, Pushard/other non-40 man RP arms, Sanoja/other non-40 man 18 year olds, Chargois (he is fine for other teams, but we're looking for a bullpen upgrade now for a right hander so he's the move. He has some control and is cheap), and really any other top 15-30 prospect they have to round it out. Probably another 18 year old high upside flyer.

That's 10 guys going out, and 5 coming in. And they could move Wendle and easily one of Cooper/Yuli (if they can even move them) on top of this depending on what they get back.


Let's see what they do but I think this is very doable. LFG Kim. Today's the day. Let's get Edman/Carlson, Flaherty, Gallegos, and Gleyber/Candelario, and if you can find a catcher, godspeed as options are low. They have the juice to do this for sure.

Cashman apparently asked for Braxton, Cabrera + 2 prospects for Gleyber.....

[lou]

Cashman apparently asked for Braxton, Cabrera + 2 prospects for Gleyber.....

Yea I saw that which is LOL, because it's Gleyber and "two good" prospects for Braxton or Cabrera's 5.5 years of control. That basically is - we're not selling and this is so outrageous of what we want don't call me back. Which is fine if they want to keep him, but everyone knows in both FO how dumb that is. I think it is posturing.

They should be thrilled to get something like Fulton, Berti/Wendle/Amaya (as they are still contending and could use a guy like this), and two good FV40s for him (likely some relievers), assuming they do want to move him.

[fish16]

white sox will reportedly "give away" yasmani grandal at the deadline. Id be after him. Couldnt hurt. just send fortes down. Grandal by himself this year has 4 more extra base hits than Stallings and Fortes combined. And this is a down year for him.

[fish16]

jesus sanchez out of the lineup again today. Gotta wonder if he is being used in trade talks

[fish16]

candelario out of the lineup today. Anyone have a clue why the trade deadline went from the 31st of july to august 1st? I remember there was one year where it fell on a weekend and they want it on a weekday, but not sure why it is like that now