2023 Game Thread

[Nick]

chen and heath bell come to mind. unfortunately we seem to have a ton of them here, specifically hitters. Also junichi tazawa and brad ziegler could not have gone worse here too. This ballpark has been a nightmare since it opened in terms of free agents coming here and shitting the bed.

Heath Bell had ERA's of 5.09 and 4.11 the two years after we signed him and his FIP was 3.72 and 4.10 respectively. It was a bad signing, but not a guy that literally should not be on a major league roster, which is what Garcia is right now. Chen had a 5.10 ERA, 4.54 FIP with us, bad for what we were paying him, but there's lots of guys with 5 ERAs in the big leagues.

[fish16]

not sure what the contract was but i remember michael morse being distinctly bad too. Mish brought this up as a hypothetical, but who says no, garcia for ozuna. I quite frankly am tired of seeing garcia's face. I would take ozuna back just to get rid of garcia. Both of them have some not great things in their private life past. Ozuna obviously much more so than Garcia.

[Nick]

No Ozuna.

Garcia for Stanton.

[Lee Stone]

Is Jazz on pace to set a Marlins single season strikeout record? He's second in whiffs in all of baseball right now. (Speaking of which, Yelich is third. Is there a trade possibility with MILW, sending Garcia back there?)

[lou]

No Ozuna.

Garcia for Stanton.

Don't tease me with an outrageous hypothetical. Something like this works on paper:

Garcia, Wendle, Barnes, Amaya
Stanton, O. Peraza, Hicks, FV40 prospect outside top 20, another FV40 prospect outside top 20, $25-40m

Wendle/Amaya are the IF depth now and later (and Wendle is very useful to them here). Barnes is a small salary deflection as the Marlins do have BP arms

Effectively the Marlins are absorbing $40-60m here over a few seasons so this would be a set up to the Yankees then using that money in a second deal and more comfortably stay away from luxury tax thresholds. That's the thing here, the Yankees have endless money, but they do need to be conscious about the tax so this actually *really* helps them out moving out Stanton. Assuming they could get a bat at the deadline which I have high confidence Brian Cashman can figure out, they'd be in great shape. This is more of a long term leveling out play for the Yankees though versus winning this year, so I find this hard. We could dream the Marlins would take on a little money and get a SS + Stanton, but likely too complicated.


I'm looking squarely at this though:

P. Corbin - 2/$49m
Garcia - 3/$41m.

Cueto, Rogers, Eder, and Meyer are hurt.

Victor Robles has a .745 career OPS against lefties and has been excellent in CF for his career. $2.3m this year, club option $3.3m next year.

There might be something there. Corbin has xFIP of 4.12-4.48 ERAs last 4 seasons(!) so maybe they can ring 200 innings out of him next 2 years and Robles might be an OK enough limited backup. He has a nice K rate so far this year FWIW. Might be a beneficial dump if the Nationals just want to save $10m.

[Nick]

Don't tease me with an outrageous hypothetical. Something like this works on paper:

Garcia, Wendle, Barnes, Amaya
Stanton, O. Peraza, Hicks, FV40 prospect outside top 20, another FV40 prospect outside top 20, $25-40m

Wendle/Amaya are the IF depth now and later (and Wendle is very useful to them here). Barnes is a small salary deflection as the Marlins do have BP arms

Effectively the Marlins are absorbing $40-60m here over a few seasons so this would be a set up to the Yankees then using that money in a second deal and more comfortably stay away from luxury tax thresholds. That's the thing here, the Yankees have endless money, but they do need to be conscious about the tax so this actually *really* helps them out moving out Stanton. Assuming they could get a bat at the deadline which I have high confidence Brian Cashman can figure out, they'd be in great shape. This is more of a long term leveling out play for the Yankees though versus winning this year, so I find this hard. We could dream the Marlins would take on a little money and get a SS + Stanton, but likely too complicated.


I'm looking squarely at this though:

P. Corbin - 2/$49m
Garcia - 3/$41m.

Cueto, Rogers, Eder, and Meyer are hurt.

Victor Robles has a .745 career OPS against lefties and has been excellent in CF for his career. $2.3m this year, club option $3.3m next year.

There might be something there. Corbin has xFIP of 4.12-4.48 ERAs last 4 seasons(!) so maybe they can ring 200 innings out of him next 2 years and Robles might be an OK enough limited backup. He has a nice K rate so far this year FWIW. Might be a beneficial dump if the Nationals just want to save $10m.

Stanton would have to approve the trade too, wouldn't he?

[rmc523]

25 guys LOB. Bullpen is great though besides 1 guy?


I'm not sure any of us anticipated this, but they need another bat.

Yeah, if only someone could've seen that need....

[fish16]

why the fuck would we want stanton. He still cant stay healthy and he's only getting older. And he hasnt put up an ops over .900 since he left here

[rmc523]

Garcia is just shockingly bad. Can we think of another example of a guy who got a multi-year contract and immediately ceased being a major league caliber player?

Saltalamacchia wound up not working. Morse too, though at least his deal wasn't much money (IIRC a 2/8 or something like that.)

[rmc523]

Stanton would have to approve the trade too, wouldn't he?

I believe so.

Also, we're already paying him some money haha.

[Nick]

why the fuck would we want stanton. He still cant stay healthy and he's only getting older. And he hasnt put up an ops over .900 since he left here

see lou's post. 1. Get rid of Garcia 2. Get our SS 3. Still a productive player when healthy obviously not at his salary level some manipulation would be needed (NYY eating money), but you just suggested bringing in Marcell Ozuna a couple posts up who is truly washed like Garcia.

[Nick]

It's not worth discussing, cuz it'll never happen, but a scenario where you could get Stanton/Peraza for Garcia/Wendle/Barnes.

Garcia/Wendle/Barnes - $50.5 million

Stanton - (Yankees $ remaining) $130 million

= $79.5 million

Cut that in half to $40 million, I think it'd be worth it. Basically paying $40 million for a young controllable starting SS and a slight upgrade to Garcia.

[lou]

see lou's post. 1. Get rid of Garcia 2. Get our SS 3. Still a productive player when healthy obviously not at his salary level some manipulation would be needed (NYY eating money), but you just suggested bringing in Marcell Ozuna a couple posts up who is truly washed like Garcia.

Right. It would have to be something funky for me at least.

I think a Corbin/Robles dump for Garcia is interesting though as mentioned

[lou]

Also I think I misunderstood the Smeltzer deal. Obviously not a lot of press on it.

I've been trying to figure it out. Maybe this Tweet is it - https://twitter.com/DanielAlvarezEE/...56879191396352

He's paid at a $1m rate when ACTIVE, but it's not guaranteed otherwise? I have no idea if that can happen.

[fish16]

Bumgarner is on waivers. Gotta think we try for him if rogers is out