July 2021 Game Thread

[Nick]

Burdick 2 homers in that game as well.

Bass blows.

[Lee Stone]

I think Sean Guenther is in now in the Marlins pen, but why is it that no relievers seem to come out of their own system?

[Maddawg]

What front office failures after Yelich? Yea, that one was a monumental failure, but where else have they failed? I don't see anything, except maybe they should have spent on 2 major free agents this offseason but hard to judge during a pandemic.

The pitching is awesome. This keeps going back to, they need to obtain 1500+ majorly improved PA for next year. None of us know if they do it, so let's wait and see. If they fail in that, I have no words. Everything is set up once they get the bat upgrades to play around Anderson, Jazz, Rojas, Aguilar, Sanchez, Cooper, etc.

Oh I don't know maybe like deliberately keeping Brinson on not only the MLB roster but on the 40 man blocking the way for a legit MLB player.....just because you want to save face because of your horrific trade. They have not drafted and developed a single legitimate bat yet. Any they have in their system were drafted by someone else and then traded to the Marlins or acquired some other way.

As we have seen this year, pitching alone can't win you enough games, you need offense too. I'm just afraid they are too stubborn & too cheap to sign any bats this off-season and it will end much the same way this year is likely to end, in a bunch of one or two-run losses, and pitchers weary by the end of the season.

I know Fish16 will say the jury is still out on the Front Office and they have to be given more time. But this is their 4th full year in charge, and I've not seen anything that shows me 2022 will be anything different than this year has been

[lou]

Oh I don't know maybe like deliberately keeping Brinson on not only the MLB roster but on the 40 man blocking the way for a legit MLB player.....just because you want to save face because of your horrific trade. They have not drafted and developed a single legitimate bat yet. Any they have in their system were drafted by someone else and then traded to the Marlins or acquired some other way.

As we have seen this year, pitching alone can't win you enough games, you need offense too. I'm just afraid they are too stubborn & too cheap to sign any bats this off-season and it will end much the same way this year is likely to end, in a bunch of one or two-run losses, and pitchers weary by the end of the season.

I know Fish16 will say the jury is still out on the Front Office and they have to be given more time. But this is their 4th full year in charge, and I've not seen anything that shows me 2022 will be anything different than this year has been

They haven't had anyone they needed to protect versus Brinson, so that's irrelevant. The Yelich trade is certainly a glaring unforgivable failure. As for drafting bats, the jury is out on that, but Scott and Misner (their first big ones) seem bad, but this could swing around fast for them with Bleday, Burdick, Nasim, Capps, Wilson, etc. It's unfair to go here yet, but they certainly missed on the first few major bat acquisitions (and VVM was a big whiff). In their defense, it does look like the next crop of bat prospects (Jazz, Sanchez, Lewin, Bleday) are going to be much. better so we'll see.

I can get with you on the bolds - this all comes back to are they going to spend money and/or acquire 1500+ improved PA for next year. They need two big time position starters, and another really positive platoon bat (or catcher) at minimum, while keeping everyone. I don't know the answer here if they will do it, but I do see their pitching depth and can't imagine someone who is a professional in baseball not making a decision to go for it as their window is now. They have everything figured out besides those 1500 PA and plenty of payroll to spare. For me, if they don't build a team that can get them to July where they can make another decision to really go for it, it's a failure.


For a hypothetical, is this a good offseason for you:

1 - Sign Chris Taylor, something like 4/$60+ to play everyday somewhere, like 90 games in LF/RF and the rest sprinkled around the IF or matchups and days off.

2 - Sign Tucker Barnhardt, something like 3/$18-21 (I think Cincy declines $7.5 million option and won't be able to trade hhim). Superior defensive option and has hit righties around a .750 OPS for 3 years. Alex Jackson is a righty and we can pray for him hitting lefties to form a solid platoon (his minor league splits are definitely better vs lefties). Alfaro is DFA'd here.

3 - Trade Sandy/Pablo for a longterm CF starter, playable right now and controlled for years. This is someone like Brandon Marsh.

4 - Sign a veteran lefty reliever, nothing to expensive, maybe 2/$6+ similar to what Bass got


Barnhart, Jackson
Aguilar, Diaz
Jazz, Berti
Rojas
Anderson
Sanchez
March type player, Brinson/De La Cruz/Harrison/Cheap camp battle with a vet
Taylor, Cooper
(Bleday and others potential mid season adds)

Sandy/Pablo, Rogers, Sixto, Luzardo, Cabrera (minor league depth - Neidert, Poteet, Garrett, with Meyer and Eder mid season possibilities)
Floro, Bender, Bass, E. Hernandez, Thompson, Holloway/Campbell/etc.
New veteran lefty, Bleier

This probably costs $60ish million, which yes is absurdly low. Are we happy with this? I think we're content with the pitching.


Or, do they need to drop Correa, Story, C. Seager, etc. on top of this, which kicks Berti off the team and turns Rojas into super duper utility. At that point, I think we're all smiles?

Or do they need to do more, and say, keep Sandy/Pablo and do something big like resign S. Marte, and now payroll is easily pushing $100+m. Which isn't outrageous, but is this how far they need to go? At this point, I think we'd be ecstatic?


I just want the baseline of when we can get to "they are doing a good job" for you. I think my hypothetical above is likely, with the ability to really go for it if they do want to sign 1-2 more major guys. I'd be through the moon if they did the later but I have low expectations for that.

This is a major contender to me if they did the later and is a mid-payroll team for a few years.

Barnhart, Jackson
Aguilar, Diaz
Jazz
Correa, Rojas
Anderson
Sanchez, Brinson/De La Cruz/Bleday
S. Marte
Taylor, Cooper

Sandy, Pablo, Rogers, Sixto, Luzardo/Cabrera
Floro, Bender, Bass, E. Hernandez, Thompson, Cabrera/Luzardo, New veteran lefty, Bleier

We can dream right

[Lee Stone]

From Ely Sussman: Eder has been held out with elbow discomfort since his last start on July 22. From me: Oh no. TJS on the horizon? That's always a possibility.

I like Jesus Sanchez and wonder why the long hold up on his return. The numbers tell me Bleday is behind Burdick and Conine on the depth chart now.

Antonio Velez is starting to look like the freshest "from out of nowhere" pitching prospect. He's ready for a AA trial or even a skip to AAA given his age.

I'd like to see E Cabrera get a major league look in a couple weeks.

[lou]

From Ely Sussman: Eder has been held out with elbow discomfort since his last start on July 22. From me: Oh no. TJS on the horizon? That's always a possibility.

I like Jesus Sanchez and wonder why the long hold up on his return. The numbers tell me Bleday is behind Burdick and Conine on the depth chart now.

Antonio Velez is starting to look like the freshest "from out of nowhere" pitching prospect. He's ready for a AA trial or even a skip to AAA given his age.

I'd like to see E Cabrera get a major league look in a couple weeks.

Bleday is not behind them, but Burdick and Conine are certainly going to get a shot too.

They are financially incentivized to keep Cabrera in the minors until 2-3 weeks into the 2022 season. If anything, I see them calling him up for a week or two in September and the 2022 call up happens a week or two later. This one makes sense to me, and they can also give those innings to guys like Thompson, Neidert, Garrett, and Poteet who deserve some looks. I see no way Cabrera isn't top 8 in innings pitched for the Marlins next year, so not too concerned here.

[Nick]

The guy Conine is now tied with for Minor League homers is MJ Melendez who is at AA in KC's system. Left-handed hitting catcher, K's a lot, but hits a ton of home runs obviously. Wonder if he's someone we'd look at. Platoon him with Jackson, have a below average defensive backstop platoon, who K's 200+ times, but hits 40+ HRs between them. The reason he may be available is they just re-signed Salvador Perez to a new 4-year deal a couple months ago.

[Nick]

I had no idea we were playing right now. Our 3-4 hitters are Alfaro and Brinson.

[Madman81]

this has been a pretty special season for baserunning

[Namaste]

Love taking 3 of 4 from the Mets!

[Nick]

Todd was right.

[Nick]

This is the stupidest fucking team.

[Todd]

Anyone else a bit worried by Chisholm? He is still young but a
.256/.318/.426 line with striking out >30% of the time with his suspect defense is not to reassuring.

[Namaste]

Anyone else a bit worried by Chisholm? He is still young but a
.256/.318/.426 line with striking out >30% of the time with his suspect defense is not to reassuring.

No.

[fish16]

if your projections for jazz are superstar than ya he's not going to be that, but i feel pretty confident his ceiling is a mid .800's OPS, 20 hr, 20-30 sb's and decent defense at 2b. I just hope they leave him at 2b and find a SS from free agency or one of the 10 promising SS prospects we have. He clearly isnt a SS defensively long term