2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

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One of a number of mystery picks by the Marlins in the 2020 draft.

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He says the same about Alcantara, so take it with an ocean full of salt.

Mattingly said that about Alcantara. Mish was talking about the organization’s belief on Diaz. But I’m guessing that doesn’t matter, and you just wanted to get a shot in on Alcantara.

[Lee Stone]

Mattingly said that about Alcantara. Mish was talking about the organization’s belief on Diaz. But I’m guessing that doesn’t matter, and you just wanted to get a shot in on Alcantara.

No dig on Alcantara whatsoever. He's not the one who said he had superstar ace potential. Superstar types strike out at least four hitters per walk allowed. Alcantara has never been a guy who put up even a 2/1 ratio .... at any level. I'm looking forward to an entire new cast of starting pitchers next season.

[tjfla]

News coming out

Elieser is #5 SP. Yamamoto sent to minors camp and might be a RP moving foward/when back up

Holloway is a RP now

Joyce,Brinson,Banfield all got Rona and they have talked to teams on Joyce/Brinson as well as others

Lewin might get ML call as 1B/DH/RF

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SHould note guys on "block" seem to be on the block because 1 thing. They think that the younger guys are ready to get action

[fauowls44]

News coming out

Elieser is #5 SP. Yamamoto sent to minors camp and might be a RP moving foward/when back up

Holloway is a RP now

Joyce,Brinson,Banfield all got Rona and they have talked to teams on Joyce/Brinson as well as others

Lewin might get ML call as 1B/DH/RF

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SHould note guys on "block" seem to be on the block because 1 thing. They think that the younger guys are ready to get action

Yesterday when the news about Puig testing positive and his deal with Atlanta being on hold came out, I did wonder if a Joyce to ATL trade made sense given our glut of OFs. It is pretty clear that they are going to start the season with Dickerson/Villar/Harold in the OF with Cooper/Aguilar at 1B/DH. That would seemingly open a path for Lewin to make the team being a LH bat.

[tjfla]

Yesterday when the news about Puig testing positive and his deal with Atlanta being on hold came out, I did wonder if a Joyce to ATL trade made sense given our glut of OFs. It is pretty clear that they are going to start the season with Dickerson/Villar/Harold in the OF with Cooper/Aguilar at 1B/DH. That would seemingly open a path for Lewin to make the team being a LH bat.

Well he got the Rona too so he aint getting traded anytime soon but I wouldnt be surprised to see Joyce dealt in August to Atlanta or another team for a PTBNL once healthy. Only real requirement for trades is NOT 40 man eligible next year

Very likely he does at 1B/DH

Main issue right now is they need 3 spots on the 40 man roster for Box/another RP(Northcraft/Vincent?)/Vesia. NO clue where the hell they are getting them however-well u can trade Conley to Cubs or whoever and bring Vesia up and 45 day Brinson?

45 Day Brinson-Harrison gets his ML spot and u add Box
Trade Conley-Vesia
Trade Joyce-Vincent

They have let teams know they are open for business-Caleb/Villar/Urena/Cooper/Dickerson/Joyce/Kintzler/other RP. Everyone but Villar they don't expect here in the future

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Best news is they seem to have told the young guys they are gonna be RP going foward

Holloway/Guzman/Yamamoto/Sharp/Elieser and Dugger LR or Spot Starters

No more of them having no clue what the hell is going on

2021 SP(40 man)
Sandy
Sixto
Pablo
Caleb
Garrett
Meyer
Cabrera
Neidert
Mejia
Rogers

10 SP and 2 Spot Starters for 5 spots

[Namaste]

and for those who keep comparing us to korea and how they are playing with no issues- we had more cases in Florida on Saturday alone then the entire country of South Korea has had throughout the entire pandemic.
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Positive case rate going up, death rate going down

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News coming out

Elieser is #5 SP. Yamamoto sent to minors camp and might be a RP moving foward/when back up

Holloway is a RP now

Joyce,Brinson,Banfield all got Rona and they have talked to teams on Joyce/Brinson as well as others

Lewin might get ML call as 1B/DH/RF

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SHould note guys on "block" seem to be on the block because 1 thing. They think that the younger guys are ready to get action

If Diaz makes the club, he should be 1B most of the time. He's a very good defensive 1B. With the glut of OFers, and some limited defensive players, I don't see why he'd play RF or DH much.

[fish16]

Positive case rate going up, death rate going down

deaths lag behind the cases as you have seen from the deaths in florida the last few days. plus not dying doesnt mean having no issues moving forward as studies continue to show weeks if not months of issues after the virus.

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So it sounds like all the talk about playing the kids was lip service. Mish is saying Monte isn’t going to make the 30-man. Not saying this is the wrong move, but the talk about the best player making it was obviously BS when Monte gets sent down, and Sierra makes the team.

[fauowls44]

So it sounds like all the talk about playing the kids was lip service. Mish is saying Monte isn’t going to make the 30-man. Not saying this is the wrong move, but the talk about the best player making it was obviously BS when Monte gets sent down, and Sierra makes the team.

I'm not sure it came down to keeping Sierra over Monte. I think Sierra was always making the team since he was out of options. I think it came down to the fact that Harold had a good camp and if Monte wasn't going to start right away, then starting his service time clock didn't make much sense. I'm fairly certain it won't be too long until Monte is up this year.

Seems as though Dickerson/Villar/Harold will start in the OF, with Cooper and Aguilar splitting 1B and DH. I wonder if Lewin still has a shot at making the team to split time with them.

[Lee Stone]

If I were holding the reins, my opening day lineup would look like this:

Villar at 2B. Yep, everbody has Isan Diaz there under the pretext that he killed AAA. Well guess what. Everybody at New Orleans killed AAA last year. Austin Dean hit better than Diaz. Where's he? Brinson hit well there ... and with power. Where's he .... even if healthy? It's not like Diaz has defense as an attribute. He was very shaky out there. He ought to be in Jupiter working on his game.

Anderson at 3B, fine. However, I sure wouldn't be putting a five year, $75 million contract in front of him.

Dickerson in LF, sure. He's the team's top hitter and you have to try to win.

Lewin Diaz at 1B for me. Only way he's going to really develop this season. Aguilar could have been cut in April with a small payment, as I recall. I don't think he's better offensively than Lewin.

CF has to be Monte. It's the development issue again, but he's the team's best defender in the OF and a better base-stealing threat than Sierra, who should be released. If Monte whiffs 35% of the time, he still brings more to the table than Isan, the guy he is fundamentally replacing.

I'd work Jesus Sanchez into a spot as well. A platoon with Ramirez in RF would be fine.

Rojas is fine at SS this season, but I'd trade him if a contender has an emergency need for him. Jazz is our SS of the future.

Catching is a weakness ... to me at least. Alfaro is far from clutch with the bat and a Little Leaguer when it comes to blocking pitches. Cervelli is washed. Tyler Heineman (who the Marlins just plain dropped), is at the top of the SF Giants depth chart to start this season.

Cooper at DH is fine. And I definitely want Berti and Eddy Alvarez as reserves.

Fangraphs has a ranking of starting pitchers up. Alcantara, Smith, Lopez are all in the sixties to seventies, or basically mid-rotation types. Mediocrity seems like their ceiling to me, but you never know. Urena seems to fit right with them. I'd rather go with E. Cabrera than Elieser or Neidert or Yamamoto for the fifth spot.

The bullpen could possibly be good, but is most likely middle of the pack. I don't see anything horrible happening there.

Trades should be a focal consideration. In my mind, Daulton Varsho (catcher with Arizona organization) and Vidal Brujan (2B with Tampa org) are great targets

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I'm not sure it came down to keeping Sierra over Monte. I think Sierra was always making the team since he was out of options. I think it came down to the fact that Harold had a good camp and if Monte wasn't going to start right away, then starting his service time clock didn't make much sense. I'm fairly certain it won't be too long until Monte is up this year.

Seems as though Dickerson/Villar/Harold will start in the OF, with Cooper and Aguilar splitting 1B and DH. I wonder if Lewin still has a shot at making the team to split time with them.

I wasn’t necessarily saying it was Monte vs Sierra, just those are two examples of service time playing a factor, IMO. All we’ve heard is how great Monte has been. Maybe Ramirez surprises us, but he’s probably a good 4th OF on a good team, at best. And with the DH, there will be at bats for all of them.

As for Sierra, he’s almost certainly not long for this team. He’s a decent fielder, and very fast, but does anyone think he has much of a chance even to be a replacement level player? Would anyone lose any sleep over another team claiming him?

Again, I’m not saying they’re making the wrong moves. I’m just saying the line we were fed about service time not mattering, and going for it with the best roster, wasn’t true.

[Maddawg]

deaths lag behind the cases as you have seen from the deaths in florida the last few days. plus not dying doesnt mean having no issues moving forward as studies continue to show weeks if not months of issues after the virus.

exactly, chances of having life-long problems after covid 19 are much-increased chances of COPD & Emphysema are almost 100%

[fauowls44]

I wasn’t necessarily saying it was Monte vs Sierra, just those are two examples of service time playing a factor, IMO. All we’ve heard is how great Monte has been. Maybe Ramirez surprises us, but he’s probably a good 4th OF on a good team, at best. And with the DH, there will be at bats for all of them.

As for Sierra, he’s almost certainly not long for this team. He’s a decent fielder, and very fast, but does anyone think he has much of a chance even to be a replacement level player? Would anyone lose any sleep over another team claiming him?

Again, I’m not saying they’re making the wrong moves. I’m just saying the line we were fed about service time not mattering, and going for it with the best roster, wasn’t true.

I don't think you can say that wasn't true. By all accounts, Harold has been very good during this summer camp. I have only seen what everyone else has on quick Twitter videos. It's possible that Ramirez just earned the job. Either way, I'm sure that it is just a matter of time before Monte is up...either because someone gets hurt or struggles. It'll be interesting to see how long a leash Harold, or anyone has with a 60 game season.

[tjfla]

Service Time and the fact we are pretty much punting on the season. FO saying all right stuff in public but they dont expect a good season with the schedule and all

He will be up eventually with either Villar traded or an OF hurt. Soon as up he gonna get tons of AB's

People crap on Sierra and Brinson but reality is they are both perfect 4th OF on any team. If we DFA either of them they are gone and FO dont really wanna just lose guys for nothing