2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Namaste]

Owners submitting revised economic plan to players union on Tuesday

[emkayseven]

Seems like the idea that gets it done (which makes sense to me) is a prorated salary with money deferred until future seasons. None of these guys are living paycheck to paycheck in the majors, the deferrals should be ok but would help owners immensely

[Lee Stone]

Seems like the idea that gets it done (which makes sense to me) is a prorated salary with money deferred until future seasons. None of these guys are living paycheck to paycheck in the majors, the deferrals should be ok but would help owners immensely

Certainly one possibility, however most of deferred comp would likely result in dollar for dollar reduction in free agent spending by owners. Maybe the game would benefit from that, I don't know.

[Namaste]

Yeah I saw someone on Twitter a few days ago (I think Rosenthal) say that they are floating the idea of payroll deferrals.

[fauowls44]

Yeah I saw someone on Twitter a few days ago (I think Rosenthal) say that they are floating the idea of payroll deferrals.

I said last week that the two sides had until this week to keep dug in on their positions before getting down to business. Hopefully this is the start of that. I would hope that both the owners and players realize the damage they would do by not playing this year over money. They need to just get a deal done and fast.

[rmc523]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...ale-mlbpa.html

Major League Baseball owners have agreed to a revised economic plan for a shortened 2020 season and will present the proposal to the MLB Players Association today. Per USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, owners have scrapped the idea of a 50-50 revenue split and will instead suggest a sliding scale of pay reductions for players. Those with the largest guaranteed salaries would surrender the largest percentage of their salaries, while players with the smallest salaries would earn “most” of their guaranteed money, Nightengale adds.

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Players, according to Travis Sawchick of FiveThirtyEight (Twitter links), have been amenable to the expanded 14-team postseason structure and are open to playing more games than in the floated 82-game schedule — both of which would create additional revenue for all parties. ESPN’s Jeff Passan suggested this morning that the MLBPA’s counter-proposal could indeed push for more than 82 games (Twitter link, with video). Deferred payments on 2020 salaries have been an oft-speculated point of compromise as well. Ownership is already deferring payouts of the signing bonuses in this year’s shortened MLB Draft.

The MLBPA’s “very disappointed” with MLB’s proposal, Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic report (on Twitter). While the league offered to share more playoff revenue, the players still don’t feel as if they’d do well in this situation. They believe they’d still have to make “massive” additional cuts, Drellich tweets. Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link) adds that the two sides are also far apart on health and safety issues. The union higher-ups will hold further discussions with the players before deciding whether to continue with negotiations, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter).

Both sides need to just get over it and meet in the middle. I have zero sympathy for either of them.

[rmc523]

From Jesse Rogers of ESPN on Twitter:

Sources: Under MLB proposal to players, a player making $35 mil in 2020 would make about $7.8 mil. A player making 10 mil would get about 2.9 mil and a player making a mil would make $434k.

[fauowls44]

From Jesse Rogers of ESPN on Twitter:

Sources: Under MLB proposal to players, a player making $35 mil in 2020 would make about $7.8 mil. A player making 10 mil would get about 2.9 mil and a player making a mil would make $434k.

Except that nobody was ever making $35 million this year. That number is currently $0. The union needs to come back with something closer to $10-12 million for the top paid guys and then meet in the middle. For the good of the sport, both sides need to just make a deal...nobody cares about any of this. Both sides are the worst.

[Lee Stone]

My guess on eventual salary agreement with MLBPA: If all games are played w/o fans in attendance, contract salaries will be reduced by 20% for 2020 and then prorated. In affect, a player with a MLB average salary of $5M will receive a pro-rated share of $4M (or $2M for an 81 game regular season). Neither party will be happy with the arrangement, which is essential for a fair compromise. The huge win for the players this season will be a 29-30 man roster, creating 90-120 new ML salaries.


The offer from the league is slightly lower than suggested ... but will end up exactly there. Very shrewd move by owners to minimize the percentage for lower paid players ... to insure their favorable votes.

Toughest call is for a guy like Realmuto. He might be looking at a $4-5M salary this year instead of the $10M he anticipated prior to the pandemic. With hopes of a $100M free agent contract after this season, does he wind up bagging this season and the possibility of an injury or spending most of his salary on some type of insurance policy?

[tjfla]

Just remember this. No matter what Chen still gets 22 million because of Jeff Loria

[fauowls44]

Good job by the Marlins.


Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Per
@KyleAGlaser
all of the Miami Marlins minor league players will be paid through August, essentially covering the entire MILB season. Marlins are the only MLB club that has been reported to make that commitment thus far.
9:56 AM · May 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[tjfla]

Good job by the Marlins.


Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Per
@KyleAGlaser
all of the Miami Marlins minor league players will be paid through August, essentially covering the entire MILB season. Marlins are the only MLB club that has been reported to make that commitment thus far.
9:56 AM · May 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Some teams are actually releasing minor leaguers who they dont have plans for so very good job by us. Be interesting if they get rid of some guys in July after all draft/IFA stuff is done

[Lee Stone]

Some teams are actually releasing minor leaguers who they dont have plans for so very good job by us. Be interesting if they get rid of some guys in July after all draft/IFA stuff is done

A charitable move by Miami. Personally, with the number of minor league teams about to be cut, I would have released a bunch of the guys with zero Major League potential ... and there are a bunch.

[fish16]

why should the players have to make the sacrifices and not the owners who dont have an average lifespan in the league of 5 years and whose teams appreciate ten fold no matter how much mismanagement they run the team with. if im the players im not settling for less than the prorated value of their deals. thats fucking ridiculous. they shouldnt even be forced to just play for the prorated amount, pay them slightly more, take the loss for one season and move on. that offer is just more bullshit from the owners. i will never understand people who decide to take managements side over the players.

[tjfla]

A charitable move by Miami. Personally, with the number of minor league teams about to be cut, I would have released a bunch of the guys with zero Major League potential ... and there are a bunch.

Thats why some teams have been doing. Think CWS released 27 guys. Probably 20 of the 27 are 24 in A Ball but still this is the time of the year most teams start releasing guys