2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fauowls44]

Kole Calhoun got 2 years $18 million, and I think Dickerson is clearly a better player than Calhoun and a year younger.

Agreed..and Calhoun got an option year.

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https://www.mlb.com/news/corey-dicke...ted-free-agent

Good article about Dickerson.

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It also would not surprise me at all if Jonathan Villar was the Marlins Opening Day Centerfielder. Keep an eye on that this Spring. I’m not just throwing it out there either. Don’t rule that out.
4:08 PM · Dec 28, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

This would be interesting. If Villar can play a passable CF, then Anderson could start at 3rd full time and they can let Cooper/Ramirez/Dean/Kemp compete for the RF spot. On Twitter, Mish says he thinks they are pretty much done with major moves, other than adding another reliever.

Overall, I think they did a pretty good job addressing the offense. I would have liked to have signed Castellanos, but I really can't complain about adding Villar, Dickerson, Aguilar, and Cervelli.

[Nick]

Man if Villar could provide even below average D at CF with his offensive production, we might have a long term piece on our hands.

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1 - Villar CF
2 - Anderson 3B
3 - Dickerson RF
4 - Aguilar/Cooper 1B
5 - Diaz 2B
6 - Ramirez/Dean/Kemp LF
7 - Alfaro - C
8 - Rojas SS

Berti - Jack of all trades, and Sierra Defensive replacement/pinch-runner, Cervelli Backup C, and then the slashes in the lineup above battling for 4 spots between 5 players.

Still dreaming of a Wil Myers salary dump where we raid the Padres system of 2 or 3 quality prospects.

[fish16]

I would quib it's $2.5 too much, but that's not bad. I think that's teetering on wasting money, but I was more worried they would give Puig 2/$26 and not get a longterm benefit down the road with an option.

If he turns into a FV40 prospect next year, it basically turns into 1.5 years of Dickerson and a FV40 prospect, for $14 million. That's not bad at all.

I don't love it, but I don't hate it.

They are probably around $63-65 million now.

I'd take a gamble Alex Wood comes back strong, and sign Ryan Butcher to round out the pen - LEFTIES.

I was looking at the list of sp's available and he was the guy who stood out to me as well.

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there hasnt been much talk out there of us being interested in another starter though.

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I'd love Cishek at something like 2/12 or 3/15 and then give wood a 1 year deal for like 5-7 million.

[Lee Stone]

It'll be a shame if Villar winds up in CF, 3b or even 2b. Fangraphs ranked all the SS in baseball and Villar was 7th on the list. As I remember, Berti was something like 30 and Rojas was 33rd. If you are going to make the most of your personnel, Villar needs to be at short and Rojas in a utility role.

https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/justin...tops-for-2020/

[dim]

It'll be a shame if Villar winds up in CF, 3b or even 2b. Fangraphs ranked all the SS in baseball and Villar was 7th on the list. As I remember, Berti was something like 30 and Rojas was 33rd. If you are going to make the most of your personnel, Villar needs to be at short and Rojas in a utility role.

https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/justin...tops-for-2020/

I 100% agree with this. Villar is best utilized at shortstop. Put Rojas at 2B. Getting a possible 6 WAR from your middle infield wouldn't be a bad situation at all.

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Isan Diaz is legit 23 years old. I have no issue letting him hopefully dominate AAA some more and call him up in June.

[lou]

It'll be a shame if Villar winds up in CF, 3b or even 2b. Fangraphs ranked all the SS in baseball and Villar was 7th on the list. As I remember, Berti was something like 30 and Rojas was 33rd. If you are going to make the most of your personnel, Villar needs to be at short and Rojas in a utility role.

https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/justin...tops-for-2020/

You just cited a fantasy baseball article. It's completely irrelevant.

Rojas is a better defensive SS. End of story. Villar is still good though.

The best possible defensive alignment is Rojas at SS and Villar at 2B/3B/OF. Where he lands should depend on who we believe the other 6 best Marlins bats are.

1B - Cooper or Aguilar
2B - Isan or Villar
SS - Rojas
3B - Anderson or Villar
LF - Dickerson
CF - Berti or Villar or Sierra or Brinson
RF - Anderson or Ramirez

Personally, trying him out hard in CF could be a boon to the franchise if he is neutral defensively and he keeps hitting. If he can handle it, he's an easy re-sign for me and he becomes a better Marwin Gonzalez.

[Nick]

You guys realize we're going to be bad no matter what next year, right? Playing Villar in CF has nothing to do with next year it's about possibly having a future piece in Villar instead of just having a future trade piece in Villar.

[Lee Stone]

I think Ramirez can play CF. Berti too. Dickerson, Ramirez and Cooper OF? I like Anderson at 3B. I still think Brad Miller is a possibility for 2B.

[lou]

I think Ramirez can play CF. Berti too. Dickerson, Ramirez and Cooper OF? I like Anderson at 3B. I still think Brad Miller is a possibility for 2B.

Berti was abysmal in CF last year (SSS though)
Ramirez, Brinson, and Sierra were pretty good

I'd imagine Sierra and Brinson have the ability to be plus CF, and Ramirez and Berti should be viewed on as being able to handle in a pinch.

The 4 of them should all be on the roster as presently constructed and can cover the position for sure. Let them battle it out.

But if Villar can play CF, he becomes an extension candidate quickly for Miami if his bat holds up. A switch hitting play everywhere guy matches perfectly with the prospects.

[tjfla]

Thank Puig's year demands on us signing Dickerson. Miami didnt wanna go more than 2 and Puig's people kept saying 3+. Most thought they would do a 2 plus option(me included) but Dickerson's people accepted the offer that has been out there a while.

Dickerson will play corners and maybe some 1B this year. Next year who knows? All depends on when Jesus,Bleday,Lewin are ready but Dickerson is likely to be dealt by Aug 2021

Onto arms!!! They want a RP(Cishek/Will Harris are top choices-Daniel Hudson too but he wants to stay up North. Others are David Phelps,Strop,McHugh) then have to figure out what to do with Urena/Elieser/Caleb. Could trade 1 for bats and sign a FA arm like Alex Wood,King Felix,Ivan Nova,Jason Vargas,Hellickson

100% going to get at least 1 RP

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Something to look for on CF situation is Milb FA. They have looked at a few guys but want to bring them in on Matt Kemp type deals. Jon Jay,Leonys Martin,Jarrod Dyson,Billy Hamilton,Lagares,Pillar all out there still hoping for ML offers. Doubftul they add anymore bats in FA/DFA on ML deals but wouldnt be surprise if they added a Dean,Brinson,Cooper in a P for bat trade to open a spot for ST for a Kemp or Milb FA

Talking about Matt Kemp don't be surprised that if he looks good in ST if they find a spot for him.

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Villar will play wherever until its time to talk extension. If he wants to sign here then he will get a permanent spot but at this point they want him to hit 30HR and get ready to get traded by July 30.

FO would love to extend him but they got him for his trade value not to be full time 3B or SS in 2020

[fauowls44]

Thank Puig's year demands on us signing Dickerson. Miami didnt wanna go more than 2 and Puig's people kept saying 3+. Most thought they would do a 2 plus option(me included) but Dickerson's people accepted the offer that has been out there a while.

Dickerson will play corners and maybe some 1B this year. Next year who knows? All depends on when Jesus,Bleday,Lewin are ready but Dickerson is likely to be dealt by Aug 2021

Onto arms!!! They want a RP(Cishek/Will Harris are top choices-Daniel Hudson too but he wants to stay up North. Others are David Phelps,Strop,McHugh) then have to figure out what to do with Urena/Elieser/Caleb. Could trade 1 for bats and sign a FA arm like Alex Wood,King Felix,Ivan Nova,Jason Vargas,Hellickson

100% going to get at least 1 RP

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Something to look for on CF situation is Milb FA. They have looked at a few guys but want to bring them in on Matt Kemp type deals. Jon Jay,Leonys Martin,Jarrod Dyson,Billy Hamilton,Lagares,Pillar all out there still hoping for ML offers. Doubftul they add anymore bats in FA/DFA on ML deals but wouldnt be surprise if they added a Dean,Brinson,Cooper in a P for bat trade to open a spot for ST for a Kemp or Milb FA

Talking about Matt Kemp don't be surprised that if he looks good in ST if they find a spot for him.

Not sure Puig gets what he’s looking for. The FA OF market is basically down to Ozuna/Castellanos getting big money and everyone else getting the similar 2 year deals we have Dickerson. I wanted Puig because he would have been perfect for this market, but I’m happy with Dickerson as a pure baseball move. He does a lot of things we haven’t done well lately...mainly gets on base and has the lefty power they need as well.

John Jay or Pillar on a minor league deal would be good options to add to the mix in CF.
As for pitching, I think Cishek, Hudson, Harris, and Kintzler are the best fits still out there.

[tjfla]

Not sure Puig gets what he’s looking for. The FA OF market is basically down to Ozuna/Castellanos getting big money and everyone else getting the similar 2 year deals we have Dickerson. I wanted Puig because he would have been perfect for this market, but I’m happy with Dickerson as a pure baseball move. He does a lot of things we haven’t done well lately...mainly take a lot of pitches and gets on base. They needed lefty power as well.

As for pitching, I think Cishek, Hudson, Harris, and Kintzler are the best fits still out there.

He won't thats why Dickerson's people finally said yes to our offer. We had 1 yr plus option or 2 yr/16-20 million dollar deals out to about 4 OF for weeks. Puig,Ozuna,Castellanos all want longer deals

Ya Jon Jay or any of those guys would be fine on Milb deals. They all still hoping from ML offers or Milb deals from contenders right now

Cishek,Harris,Strop are most likely. Atleast 1 will get a ML deal but wouldn't be surprising to see us sign 3 or 4 other RP. We have offers out to lots of guys(RP/Arms,OF,C) on Milb deals. Thing is they all want to try with the NYY/LA or someone first so we likely would get them till Feb/March

We have commitments from a number of guys. Commitment like IF we aren't signed by Feb whatever we will sign with u. This is why u havent seen us sign tons of Milb yet-Northcraft,Katoh,Kemp plus lots of C.

Northcraft is a RP "sleeper" was out of baseball for 2 years came back LY and looked great in PCL. Throws like Ziegler/Brice/Cishek(sidearm). Jordan Milbrath is a FA so guess he replaces him

https://twitter.com/Crafty2044/statu...76688537645057

Gammons(who hates Miami) says Cishek wants to sign with Boston but they cant afford him

[Lee Stone]

After looking the fansgraph Marlin list over, two major observations: Burdick should definitely be placed above Misner. They played together at Clinton and Burdick was not only vastly better than Misner, but on top of the entire league by a solid margin. Mejia continues to be vastly underrated. Best Pitching Prospect list compiled by Baseball America for the 2019 season is full of pitchers who are top ten prospects in their organizations - with the exception of Humberto. Yes, due to previous injuries, he was old for A ball, but he experienced no drop off at Jupiter.

International (Triple-A): Mitch Keller, Indianapolis (Pirates)
Pacific Coast (Triple-A): Corbin Martin, Round Rock (Astros)
Eastern (Double-A): Deivi Garcia, Trenton (Yankees)
Southern (Double-A): Brusdar Graterol, Pensacola (Twins)
Texas (Double-A): Dustin May, Tulsa (Dodgers)
California (High-A): MacKenzie Gore, Lake Elsinore (Padres)
Carolina (High-A): Jackson Kowar, Wilmington (Royals)
Florida State (High-A): Edward Cabrera, Jupiter (Marlins)
Midwest (Low-A): Humberto Mejia, Clinton (Marlins)
South Atlantic (Low-A): Luis Gil, Charleston (Yankees)

[lou]

After looking the fansgraph Marlin list over, two major observations: Burdick should definitely be placed above Misner. They played together at Clinton and Burdick was not only vastly better than Misner, but on top of the entire league by a solid margin. Mejia continues to be vastly underrated. Best Pitching Prospect list compiled by Baseball America for the 2019 season is full of pitchers who are top ten prospects in their organizations - with the exception of Humberto. Yes, due to previous injuries, he was old for A ball, but he experienced no drop off at Jupiter.

International (Triple-A): Mitch Keller, Indianapolis (Pirates)
Pacific Coast (Triple-A): Corbin Martin, Round Rock (Astros)
Eastern (Double-A): Deivi Garcia, Trenton (Yankees)
Southern (Double-A): Brusdar Graterol, Pensacola (Twins)
Texas (Double-A): Dustin May, Tulsa (Dodgers)
California (High-A): MacKenzie Gore, Lake Elsinore (Padres)
Carolina (High-A): Jackson Kowar, Wilmington (Royals)
Florida State (High-A): Edward Cabrera, Jupiter (Marlins)
Midwest (Low-A): Humberto Mejia, Clinton (Marlins)
South Atlantic (Low-A): Luis Gil, Charleston (Yankees)

NO.

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He won't thats why Dickerson's people finally said yes to our offer. We had 1 yr plus option or 2 yr/16-20 million dollar deals out to about 4 OF for weeks. Puig,Ozuna,Castellanos all want longer deals

Ya Jon Jay or any of those guys would be fine on Milb deals. They all still hoping from ML offers or Milb deals from contenders right now

Cishek,Harris,Strop are most likely. Atleast 1 will get a ML deal but wouldn't be surprising to see us sign 3 or 4 other RP. We have offers out to lots of guys(RP/Arms,OF,C) on Milb deals. Thing is they all want to try with the NYY/LA or someone first so we likely would get them till Feb/March

We have commitments from a number of guys. Commitment like IF we aren't signed by Feb whatever we will sign with u. This is why u havent seen us sign tons of Milb yet-Northcraft,Katoh,Kemp plus lots of C.

Northcraft is a RP "sleeper" was out of baseball for 2 years came back LY and looked great in PCL. Throws like Ziegler/Brice/Cishek(sidearm). Jordan Milbrath is a FA so guess he replaces him

https://twitter.com/Crafty2044/statu...76688537645057

Gammons(who hates Miami) says Cishek wants to sign with Boston but they cant afford him

They need a lefty arm. Stanek, Steckenrider, Yimi, Brice, and Sharp are all locks, and Brigham can't even make the team right now. And that's with Hernandez and Dugger in AAA. Even if 1-2 are traded, you then have Guzman, Cabrera, Sixto, and Neidert on the 40 man, and dudes like Northcraft.

Quijada has no competition for a 3rd bullpen lefty, and the 2nd one (Conley) isn't exactly a sure thing. Vesia shouldn't be put on the 40 this year with the roster crunch coming. Stewart isn't ready and regressed. Rogers is your next best option, but it looks like he is shedding RP projections and turning into a pure SP.

Who are the lefty relievers in FA? Butcher makes the most sense to me. He's a fine 2nd/3rd pen lefty and kick Quijada to AAA.

[tjfla]

NO.

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They need a lefty arm. Stanek, Steckenrider, Yimi, Brice, and Sharp are all locks, and Brigham can't even make the team right now. And that's with Hernandez and Dugger in AAA. Even if 1-2 are traded, you then have Guzman, Cabrera, Sixto, and Neidert on the 40 man, and dudes like Northcraft.

Quijada has no competition for a 3rd bullpen lefty, and the 2nd one (Conley) isn't exactly a sure thing. Vesia shouldn't be put on the 40 this year with the roster crunch coming. Stewart isn't ready and regressed. Rogers is your next best option, but it looks like he is shedding RP projections and turning into a pure SP.

Who are the lefty relievers in FA? Butcher makes the most sense to me. He's a fine 2nd/3rd pen lefty and kick Quijada to AAA.

U got Moran,Castano,Lee in AAA and Vesia in AA. Butcher,Cigrani,Matt Grace,Tyler Lyons,Zach Duke,Luis Avilan,Aaron Loup. Could see 1 or 2 signed to minor league deals

Conley could be gone any second

Sad thing is if u look around ML baseball teams have LHR arms ALL from Miami

Grant Dayton-Atlanta
Brad Hand-Cleveland
Andrew Miller-St Louis
Dan Jennings-Milwaukee
Miguel Del Pozo-Pittsburgh
Mike Dunn-FA/Colorado
Brian Flynn-Texas
Wade LeBlanc-Seattle
Asher Wojo-Baltimore

LHR all around MLB