2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

I did a breakdown of every prospect and what level they will likely start at in 2020 and a few things jumped out- we have a lot of shortstop depth, 0 catching depth, good sp depth at the upper levels but we might want to start focusing on the lower levels, and our corner infield depth is severely lacking. In addition we have a ton of arms we will likely churn through this year in terms of upper level relievers. I’ll post my estimate later tonight when I get back home

[Lee Stone]

Fangraphs Top 40 Marlin prospect list for 2020 has been released. Jazz takes top spot as only 55-rating. Sixto drops to 50 and joins Cabrera and four hitters. Victor Mesa Jr blows by older brother.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-40-p...miami-marlins/

[lou]

Fangraphs Top 40 Marlin prospect list for 2020 has been released. Jazz takes top spot as only 55-rating. Sixto drops to 50 and joins Cabrera and four hitters. Victor Mesa Jr blows by older brother.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-40-p...miami-marlins/

Lee with the scoop!

Immediate thoughts:

-Sixto FV50 is disappointing
-Cabrera above Sanchez and Monte is exciting
-Lewin a FV50 is fabulous. What were the Twins thinking?
-Rogers 45+ and shedding reliever risk is fabulous
-Jerar and Burdick as FV45s and Mesa Jr as a 40+ is fabulous (OK Nick, you're right. Burdick is better with the ex velocities)
-Love Osiris listed as a 3B. That is a smart move if it happens
-Nice FV40 ratings for Encarnacion, Vesia, Roberson, Fitterer, Dugger, Mokma, and Sharp. That's going to fill out the bullpen
-Devers is a massive disappointment being a FV40 and all the way at 26. If the write up is true, he becomes trade bait as the starting MI are going to be lefties
-Palacios write up is disappointing compared to his stat lines. We can hope
-Mejia and Soriano are probably my 3-4th most disappointed after Sixto and Devers. They regressed in rankings
-There is a nice Harold Ramirez name drop in last sentence about him having real power and a swing change could help him
-MLB pipeline biggest variances are Devers and VVM (way higher), Burdick (way lower) FWIW

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I did a breakdown of every prospect and what level they will likely start at in 2020 and a few things jumped out- we have a lot of shortstop depth, 0 catching depth, good sp depth at the upper levels but we might want to start focusing on the lower levels, and our corner infield depth is severely lacking. In addition we have a ton of arms we will likely churn through this year in terms of upper level relievers. I’ll post my estimate later tonight when I get back home

They should be taking two college pitchers, college catcher, and college bat BPA (likely an infielder) first four picks in the draft. So basically, I agree with you.

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I think this is 2022 internal for me:

Alfaro, "Veteran"
Lewin
Isan
Jazz, Berti
Anderson, "Veteran 3B/1B type"
Puig, Sanchez
Monte, Sierra
Bleday

Sixto, Sandy, Cabrera, Rogers, Garrett
Guzman, Brigham, some collection of Dugger, Sharp, Hernandez, Holloway, Roberson, cheap free agents
Garcia, Vesia, Quijada/other

Trades - Caleb, Pablo, Neidert, Villar, Urena, Yamamoto, Conley, Cooper, Aguilar, Ramirez, Devers, one of Misner/Scott, and one of Jerar/Burdick. That is A LOT of guys to get more prospects and mix/match with the above in larger acquisitions.

[fish16]

Those grades for our guys seems super off. Lot of depth but they disagree on the star potential. Sixto as 50 fv seems kind of ridiculous

[lou]

Those grades for our guys seems super off. Lot of depth but they disagree on the star potential. Sixto as 50 fv seems kind of ridiculous

Past Sixto and Devers, what is surprising you?

Honestly if you told me you think it's off, I'd assume it's in the other direction and they are too high on Lewin, Jerar, Burdick, Mesa Jr., etc.

[Nick]

So last year this time who had Victor Mesa Jr. 13 spots higher than VVM? lol

[fauowls44]

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #WhiteSox, making dramatic improvements after spending $195.5 million in free agency this winter, will now focus on improving the bullpen. They're not actively involved in the free-agent derby for OFs Yasiel Puig or Nick Castellanos, saying they're committed to Nomar Mazara
10:34 AM · Dec 27, 2019·Twitter Web App

[Nick]

Thoughts on the FanGraphs list:

-Sixto at 50 is disappointing. If it were me I'd swap Jazz and Sixto at 50 and 55.
-FanGraphs catching up to mine and Lee's love for Cabrera and Burdick.
-Surprised they're still so high on Monte Harrison
-Pleasantly surprised they're liking Lewin so much.
-I think Neidert's a 45+ not a 45
-Surprised to see Jerar make such a jump.
-Lee with some vindication on Vesia, all the way in the Top 20, but in the write-up they're saying Low 90s fastball. Could've sworn in the couple games I saw him throw it was Mid 90s.
-Josh Roberson is a guy I thought was my kept secret, but it's good to see him get some love. I watched a game he pitched at Clinton last year and was super-impressed by his stuff, but he was too old for that level. I look for him to be a quick riser this year.
-Disappointing Mejia is so low, I would've put him in the same category as Roberson
-I'm fascinated to see how Palacios progresses. Disappointing that scouts aren't impressed with his stuff, but he's still a teenager, who knows as his body develops he may get some bumps in velocity which coupled with his impeccable command, there could be something there.

[Lee Stone]

On Humberto Mejia: I rate him much higher based on "pitchability." There are both lots of pitchers who succeed throwing low nineties with command and lots who throw 96 and can't get hitters out. Until Mejia reaches a level where he gets knocked around, I'll continue to like him. I'd jump him right up to Jacksonville this season, along with Rogers and Garrett.

On Neidert: I like his chances. He could pull off a Gallen type emergence at AAA after struggling during his first look at the top level in 2019.

[Erick]

On Humberto Mejia: I rate him much higher based on "pitchability." There are both lots of pitchers who succeed throwing low nineties with command and lots who throw 96 and can't get hitters out. Until Mejia reaches a level where he gets knocked around, I'll continue to like him. I'd jump him right up to Jacksonville this season, along with Rogers and Garrett.

On Neidert: I like his chances. He could pull off a Gallen type emergence at AAA after struggling during his first look at the top level in 2019.

I’m sure you were a huge Elih Villanueva fan back in the day too.

[Nick]

That Wichita team is going to be something to watch. If Cabrera starts in AAA, 6 of our top 7 Prospects (according to FanGraphs) will start at AAA this year, and I personally would have Neidert ranked above Rogers and Garrett so you could make the argument for 7 of our Top 8.

[Namaste]

How many pitches has Sixto thrown since the last Fangraphs update?

[lou]

I’m sure you were a huge Elih Villanueva fan back in the day too.

What a great reference

[fish16]

What a great reference

villanueva was the guy who had an unreal year back in carolina at AA with i think Koehler right? I know he was an fsu guy

[tjfla]

Lee with the scoop!

Immediate thoughts:

-Sixto FV50 is disappointing
-Cabrera above Sanchez and Monte is exciting
-Lewin a FV50 is fabulous. What were the Twins thinking?
-Rogers 45+ and shedding reliever risk is fabulous
-Jerar and Burdick as FV45s and Mesa Jr as a 40+ is fabulous (OK Nick, you're right. Burdick is better with the ex velocities)
-Love Osiris listed as a 3B. That is a smart move if it happens
-Nice FV40 ratings for Encarnacion, Vesia, Roberson, Fitterer, Dugger, Mokma, and Sharp. That's going to fill out the bullpen
-Devers is a massive disappointment being a FV40 and all the way at 26. If the write up is true, he becomes trade bait as the starting MI are going to be lefties
-Palacios write up is disappointing compared to his stat lines. We can hope
-Mejia and Soriano are probably my 3-4th most disappointed after Sixto and Devers. They regressed in rankings
-There is a nice Harold Ramirez name drop in last sentence about him having real power and a swing change could help him
-MLB pipeline biggest variances are Devers and VVM (way higher), Burdick (way lower) FWIW

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They should be taking two college pitchers, college catcher, and college bat BPA (likely an infielder) first four picks in the draft. So basically, I agree with you.

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I think this is 2022 internal for me:

Alfaro, "Veteran"
Lewin
Isan
Jazz, Berti
Anderson, "Veteran 3B/1B type"
Puig, Sanchez
Monte, Sierra
Bleday

Sixto, Sandy, Cabrera, Rogers, Garrett
Guzman, Brigham, some collection of Dugger, Sharp, Hernandez, Holloway, Roberson, cheap free agents
Garcia, Vesia, Quijada/other

Trades - Caleb, Pablo, Neidert, Villar, Urena, Yamamoto, Conley, Cooper, Aguilar, Ramirez, Devers, one of Misner/Scott, and one of Jerar/Burdick. That is A LOT of guys to get more prospects and mix/match with the above in larger acquisitions.

Good chance its a Top 50 next year!!!! One thing to remember about FG is they take position in considerationso f u are a light hitting guy who is projected at 2B u won't be ranked as high as a guy they see as a CF(Devers and Mesa Jr)

Clinton is gonna be interesting this year because alot of the guys don't have a set position yet. I could see Osiris as a 3B but doubt we see him there till mid year(2B or CF more likely at first) dont forget Nic Ready is gonna be there. Probably wanna long look at him first. But 1B,2B,SS,3B,OF all have ?

As for the draft I could see 3 or 4 of Top 4 Picks as College guys easily. This is a very college heavy draft-#3 will 1000% be college guy and 9 of Top 100 are Catchers. Also a number of 2B/3B bat first guys

Loved the write up on the young arms

Projectable Pitching
Eury Perez, RHP
Delvis Alegre, RHP
Mairo Doble, RHP
Maycold Leon, LHP

You can order these four in a lot of ways depending on your preference. Perez is 6-foot-5 and 155 pounds, and doesn’t turn 17 until early April. His fastball was way up last summer, touching 95 after he was just a projectable 83-86 when he was scouted. Alegre, 18, is the most polished of the bunch and arguably the most athletic. He has a four-pitch mix and is up to 95. Doble (up to 92) is more projectable but less athletic. Leon is 17 and only semi-projectable, but he’s a plus athlete with an overhand delivery that creates ride on his fastball (he currently sits in the upper-80s) and depth on his breaking ball.

3 out of the 4 we will see in GCL and we have about another 5-8 solid DSL arms who could be something too. Man its nice to spend some IFA $$$$ finally

Crazy thing is they didnt even talk about 3 arms who could be "breakouts" for us this year. Matt Givin,Brady Puckett,Zach King or guys like Julio Machado/Ynmanol Marinez/Caballero who have tons of talent just need to be healthy

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Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
According to sources, the White Sox remain engaged with the RF market despite this month's trade for Nomar Mazara. Yasiel Puig appears to be a primary target.
5:38 PM · Dec 26, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

Come on Marlins...get a deal done.

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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The #WhiteSox, making dramatic improvements after spending $195.5 million in free agency this winter, will now focus on improving the bullpen. They're not actively involved in the free-agent derby for OFs Yasiel Puig or Nick Castellanos, saying they're committed to Nomar Mazara

Like I read on twitter and said few days ago,Miami and Puig are trying to work stuff out. Contract length/Mattingly-the thing about Miami/Puig also seems to be Miami is looking at tons of options right now.Trades/other FA too-they like Puig and want him but at their #'s not what Puig wants which is why I said they will likely agree to 2 year plus option

Of course other teams can jump in but Miami is really the only team after him at this point. Cincy is looking at CF types,Texas is looking at Castellanos/Ozuna