2018/2019 Offseason Thread

[rmc523]

BTW, i believe tomorrow is the day Samson is allowed to talk about his time here so knowing him you can expect to see him in front of a microphone getting the attention he craves. if it is tomorrow it is sure to make news if Samson is truly unfiltered.

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Also, isnt the uniform and logo release supposed to be tomorrow or was November 1 just the estimated date given?

There's been nothing said officially by the team. The Nov. 1 date was speculation based on the post in the original leak, IIRC.

[Lee Stone]

When you see wonderful pitchers like Chris Paddack dismissed because professional scouts take them lightly, you can tend to lose faith. When undue significance is placed on FB velocity (hello, Tyler Kolek), you tend to lose faith. I prefer to bet on actual effectiveness. My bad.

[rmc523]

When you see wonderful pitchers like Chris Paddack dismissed because professional scouts take them lightly, you can tend to lose faith. When undue significance is placed on FB velocity (hello, Tyler Kolek), you tend to lose faith. I prefer to bet on actual effectiveness. My bad.

Dude.

Paddack was dismissed because Loria thought he knew everything and said "sure, throw him in, I want known names"

And it's well known our drafting was all hard throwers nothing else for years because of a stupid mindset.

Those moves aren't exactly prove your points.

[fish16]

When you see wonderful pitchers like Chris Paddack dismissed because professional scouts take them lightly, you can tend to lose faith. When undue significance is placed on FB velocity (hello, Tyler Kolek), you tend to lose faith. I prefer to bet on actual effectiveness. My bad.

Placing blind faith in FB velocity is stupid, yes, but it isnt as black and white as having the choice of placing blind faith or not caring about fastball velocity. there is more than enough evidence and common sense would dictate the benefits of being able to throw faster effectively.

[Lee Stone]

Placing blind faith in FB velocity is stupid, yes, but it isnt as black and white as having the choice of placing blind faith or not caring about fastball velocity. there is more than enough evidence and common sense would dictate the benefits of being able to throw faster effectively.

Disagree. Common sense dictates that pitchers who throw strikes and allow the fewest hitters to reach base will be the most successful.

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Dude.

Paddack was dismissed because Loria thought he knew everything and said "sure, throw him in, I want known names"

And it's well known our drafting was all hard throwers nothing else for years because of a stupid mindset.

Those moves aren't exactly prove your points.

Yes, the stupid mindset of scouts who stared at their speed guns.

[lou]

Dude.

Paddack was dismissed because Loria thought he knew everything and said "sure, throw him in, I want known names"

And it's well known our drafting was all hard throwers nothing else for years because of a stupid mindset.

Those moves aren't exactly prove your points.

Yep. 100%. We all liked Paddack and thought that was dumb.

[fish16]

Disagree. Common sense dictates that pitchers who throw strikes and allow the fewest hitters to reach base will be the most successful.

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Yes, the stupid mindset of scouts who stared at their speed guns.

And you still dont seem to get the most basic points that how fast a pitcher is throwing is important in determining whether a player can pitch at the highest level as well as the fact that the level relative to the age is incredibly important in determining a players future ability.

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Both the Paddack and Luis Castillo trades (literally trades in Castillo's case) have Loria's name all over them

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https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1057994892100751360

This is supposedly the new marlins diamond club

[Lee Stone]

Yes. And has been documented, the Baseball America prospect rankings were Loria's bible. Paddack was not even a top ten Marlin prospect at a time when he was showing more potential than anyone.

[lou]

Yes. And has been documented, the Baseball America prospect rankings were Loria's bible. Paddack was not even a top ten Marlin prospect at a time when he was showing more potential than anyone.

This isn't making any point. The front office, and even board pariah Mike Hill, disagreed with that trade. Because BA didn't have him on a list because of presumably injury concerns is irrelevant.

BTW, this is basically the equivalent of you wanting to give the Nationals Realmuto, Brinson, and Diaz for Robles and Kieboom. It's that level bad and why Loria was terrible.

[Lee Stone]

This isn't making any point. The front office, and even board pariah Mike Hill, disagreed with that trade. Because BA didn't have him on a list because of presumably injury concerns is irrelevant.

BTW, this is basically the equivalent of you wanting to give the Nationals Realmuto, Brinson, and Diaz for Robles and Kieboom. It's that level bad and why Loria was terrible.

What's bad is that anyone could think that WASH would take that deal! Robles and Kieboom are among the highest-rated prospects in the game. Brinson and Diaz are barely relevant.

[lou]

What's bad is that anyone could think that WASH would take that deal!

Yea the best catcher in baseball who is worth those guys alone, a top 7-8 overall 2B prospect in baseball within the top 100 overall prospects, and a former top 30 overall prospect that had 1 terrible year.

Totally Lee. Washington would TOTALLY not do that.

You are the Paddack-Rodney deal and you are Rodney here.

[fish16]

I for one am just glad that Lee Stone is not making personnel decisions.

[rmc523]

Disagree. Common sense dictates that pitchers who throw strikes and allow the fewest hitters to reach base will be the most successful.

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Yes, the stupid mindset of scouts who stared at their speed guns.

those people are gone.

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/statu...94892100751360

This is supposedly the new marlins diamond club

"the club" Ooooh, that's cool now! People will flock to the stadium lol. Sounds stupid.

[Lee Stone]

Yea the best catcher in baseball who is worth those guys alone, a top 7-8 overall 2B prospect in baseball within the top 100 overall prospects, and a former top 30 overall prospect that had 1 terrible year.

Totally Lee. Washington would TOTALLY not do that.

You are the Paddack-Rodney deal and you are Rodney here.

You're way off on this one, Lou. We're talking about two seaons of Realmuto for $15M in exchange for many years of bright young stars. Right now, Realmuto won't get you EITHER one of them. Fortunately, it's not an aimless argument. Realmuto's trade value is about to be determined. As for Brinson and Diaz ... Yikes!

[Nick]

Lee, the point isn't the value of Diaz and Brinson. The point is, there is no reason for the Marlins to trade Brinson and Diaz, and for the NAtionals there is no reason for them to acquire Diaz and Brinson. It makes sense for neither team. That's why the idea is dumb.