Marlins trade Justin Bour to Phillies

[lou]

No he didn't, I did. If you think Posey is worth $22M this year and the next three, that's your bad.

So you wouldn't have signed Buster Posey to his current 9/$167 deal, where he has already produced over 26 WAR.

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The alternative was paying Buster Posey approximately 2/$30-35 for his final two years of arbitration and not getting anything else. Ignoring hindsight bias, he produced 10.4 WAR those two years. Is that better than 9/$167 for 26 WAR (and counting for 3 1/2 more years where he's probably getting to 35).

Or, you trade him in 2013 for presumably a mega-package. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-top-100-prospects-2/. Unless you got Cole, Fernandez (assuming he did not die), Yelich, Lindor, Correa, Archer, or Arenado, you got murdered in that deal. The chance the Marlins would have traded young talent in 2013 is -0-, and other trade targets were small market Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Tampa who wouldn't have traded those guys. So the only way you have won any trade here based on 2013 top prospects, is if you convinced Houston to trade their # 1 pick or Colorado to trade Arenado. Good luck with that. Good luck predicting what 5-10 guys in the minor leagues at any given time may turn out as good as Buster and finding a team, who is contending, that will be willing to trade one of them for 2 years of Buster.

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To be fair, Boegarts "probably" should be on that list above. Maybe you traded Buster for Boegarts. Still only about 10 guys in all of the minors in 2013 who you do that trade for. Good luck.

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There is no value in this world for proven commodities on contending teams, only cost controlled guys who can get RBIs

[Finsanity]

[QUOTE=lou;393792]So you wouldn't have signed Buster Posey to his current 9/$167 deal, where he has already produced over 26 WAR.

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Would I sign any catcher to a 9 year deal? About the same chance I'd have signed Martin Prado to a 3-year, $40M deal. If someone else wanted to step in and pony up like the Giants did... they are welcome to be on the line in 2018 and beyond for a subpar defensive catcher who hits like a defensive specialist. All the while looking up in the standings at Arizona (Mathis, Avila, Murphy) and Colorado (Iannetta, Wolters, Murphy) who spent their money elsewhere.

What Posey did in the past helps SF in 2018 about as much as what Pujols did for STL does for the Angels (only, SF can't hide Posey at DH).

[fish16]

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So you wouldn't have signed Buster Posey to his current 9/$167 deal, where he has already produced over 26 WAR.

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Would I sign any catcher to a 9 year deal? About the same chance I'd have signed Martin Prado to a 3-year, $40M deal. If someone else wanted to step in and pony up like the Giants did... they are welcome to be on the line in 2018 and beyond for a subpar defensive catcher who hits like a defensive specialist. All the while looking up in the standings at Arizona (Mathis, Avila, Murphy) and Colorado (Iannetta, Wolters, Murphy) who spent their money elsewhere.

What Posey did in the past helps SF in 2018 about as much as what Pujols did for STL does for the Angels (only, SF can't hide Posey at DH).

he's on the same contract still. youre dumb and also a bad evaluator of talent.

[Finsanity]

So you wouldn't have signed Buster Posey to his current 9/$167 deal, where he has already produced over 26 WAR.

And this WAR thing all the time... Even Fan Graphs says it's an estimate and not to be taken seriously... yet folks want to hang on it like they do "Prospect Lists".

[lou]

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Would I sign any catcher to a 9 year deal? About the same chance I'd have signed Martin Prado to a 3-year, $40M deal. If someone else wanted to step in and pony up like the Giants did... they are welcome to be on the line in 2018 and beyond for a subpar defensive catcher who hits like a defensive specialist. All the while looking up in the standings at Arizona (Mathis, Avila, Murphy) and Colorado (Iannetta, Wolters, Murphy) who spent their money elsewhere.

What Posey did in the past helps SF in 2018 about as much as what Pujols did for STL does for the Angels (only, SF can't hide Posey at DH).

So you would rather not get 4 ultra prime years of a player, who is the best player at his position in the league, because that player may be 75% as valuable the last 3 years of a deal?

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So you would rather not get 4 ultra prime years of a player, who is the best player at his position in the league, because that player may be 75% as valuable the last 3 years of a deal?

Correct. They mortgaged their future and are paying the price long term. Big markets are a different animal, Boston can afford to pay Rusney Castillo $72M for nothing... but that's not a route I'd want to go.

[lou]

Correct. They mortgaged their future and are paying the price long term. Big markets are a different animal, Boston can afford to pay Rusney Castillo $72M for nothing... but that's not a route I'd want to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_World_Series

[emkayseven]

Not to mention that Posey is still good, and even in a down year has already provided almost $16M in value to the Giants. By season's end his contract will likely be even. Will he be overpaid next year and 2020? Most likely, if only a little. It's well worth it considering what Posey gave them.

I'd gladly pay JT $22M every year from now until 2030 if he brought us a single championship. Who cares about mortgaging the future if you win. Flags fly forever.

[lou]

Not to mention that Posey is still good, and even in a down year has already provided almost $16M in value to the Giants. By season's end his contract will likely be even. Will he be overpaid next year and 2020? Most likely, if only a little. It's well worth it considering what Posey gave them.

I'd gladly pay JT $22M every year from now until 2030 if he brought us a single championship. Who cares about mortgaging the future if you win. Flags fly forever.

So what you're saying is, you would prefer to trade a minor league Adrian Gonzalez for Ugeth Urbina and win a world series, versus losing the totally awesome 25 WAR Adrian posted his first 6 seasons? I am to understand a world series is more valuable than 6 years of a well above average cheap first baseman?

[emkayseven]

I know it's a hot take but yeah, I'd prefer the ring.

[Namaste]

Ring

[Todd]

[QUOTE=Finsanity;393813]

So you wouldn't have signed Buster Posey to his current 9/$167 deal, where he has already produced over 26 WAR.

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Would I sign any catcher to a 9 year deal? About the same chance I'd have signed Martin Prado to a 3-year, $40M deal. If someone else wanted to step in and pony up like the Giants did... they are welcome to be on the line in 2018 and beyond for a subpar defensive catcher who hits like a defensive specialist. All the while looking up in the standings at Arizona (Mathis, Avila, Murphy) and Colorado (Iannetta, Wolters, Murphy) who spent their money elsewhere.

What Posey did in the past helps SF in 2018 about as much as what Pujols did for STL does for the Angels (only, SF can't hide Posey at DH).

Posey is not a subpar defensive catcher. By any stretch. He has been well above average this year, just like he always has been. And he is still hitting .290 with a .361 OBO. Had a drop in power this year.

Where do you two get your information from? Like I dont undetstand how you evaluate players because you dont seem to know anything about the game.

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Not to mention that Posey is still good, and even in a down year has already provided almost $16M in value to the Giants. By season's end his contract will likely be even. Will he be overpaid next year and 2020? Most likely, if only a little. It's well worth it considering what Posey gave them.

I'd gladly pay JT $22M every year from now until 2030 if he brought us a single championship. Who cares about mortgaging the future if you win. Flags fly forever.

You're contending Posey's 5 HR this year price out at $4.4M each, and the Giants are getting a good deal? He does have a .290 average and 40 RBI to go with that... but is 57th in throwing out attempted runners this year (defensively poor).

The Marlins two world series championships are great. I love putting my VHS tape in and rewinding them. However, they don't do much to fill the seats this season though.

[Todd]

Its almost as if home runs are not the only statistic in baseball.

[lou]

Its almost as if home runs are not the only statistic in baseball.

Home runs > Winning World Series. Duh.