2018 Spring Training

[fish16]

In listing Alcantara, Peters and Garcia as superior SP candidates to Richards, you should at least pay some attention to their performance history. Garcia has never been successful as a starter. That's why he was moved to the pen - no effective arsenal as a SP. Alcantara has experienced no success as a starter; he has BP written all over him. I rate Peters ahead of Richards also, but he has to rediscover his command. The key for Richards is a very effective change up.

JArlin has experienced success as a starter every year he was a starter, actually. He wasnt moved because of that, he was moved because he was coming off of a shoulder injury and we needed a lefty reliever.

Alcantara also has not been nearly as ineffective as you continue to make him out to be. He has experienced a bit of success and has done so with great stuff and a young age relative to his competition.

Richards has had great results but doesnt have lights out stuff. I have some hope for him, but he is rated right around where he should be. There are plenty of guys who pitch well in the minors and then get absolutely lit up every time they pitch in the majors

[Lee Stone]

"There are plenty of guys who pitch well in the minors and then get absolutely lit up every time"

Absolutely true. However, pitchers who fail to put up excellent numbers at AA are almost certain to get lit up. Garcia never even pitched well at Jacksonville, never managed to strike out more than twice as many as he walked. Same deal for Alcantara. 56W and only 104 K in 125 innings at AA last season. It was always that way for Jacob Turner. Pitchers like Richards and Peters gave up fewer hits than innings pitched AND struck hitters out at multiples of four or five to one over walks. They have a far better chance at success. Meyer was brilliant in that regard at A+ Jupiter and I expect that to continue at AA.

Case history. In 2016 at A+ Jupiter, Luis Castillo K'd 81, a batter an inning, while walking only 13. A .101 WHIP. Now that's a crown jewel. He followed that with similar numbers at AA last season (for Cincinnati of course) before becoming the Reds ace after a mid-summer promotion. See Ben Meyer. With the same Jupiter team last year, he gave up 59 hits in 86 innings. Only 17 walks and 94 K's. 0.96 WHIP. He is a huge prospect garnering no attention. My prediction: Mid-season call up and staff ace for the Marlins. Signed, Clueless

[fish16]

"There are plenty of guys who pitch well in the minors and then get absolutely lit up every time"

Absolutely true. However, pitchers who fail to put up excellent numbers at AA are almost certain to get lit up. Garcia never even pitched well at Jacksonville, never managed to strike out more than twice as many as he walked. Same deal for Alcantara. 56W and only 104 K in 125 innings at AA last season. It was always that way for Jacob Turner. Pitchers like Richards and Peters gave up fewer hits than innings pitched AND struck hitters out at multiples of four or five to one over walks. They have a far better chance at success. Meyer was brilliant in that regard at A+ Jupiter and I expect that to continue at AA.

Richards, Peters, and Meyer were all at least 2-3 older than both Garcia and Alcantara at those levels and you continue to ignore that numbers arent everything especially when guys are young for their level. Also, no, pitchers who dont put up excellent numbers in AA succeed all the time. Because again, as people continue to tell you and you continue to ignore, the minors arent just about the numbers guys put up.

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BEN MEYER WAS 24 IN FUCKING JUPITER. WHAT PART OF AGE RELATIVE TO COMPETITION DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.

[Namaste]

RAGE

[Lee Stone]

Richards, Peters, and Meyer were all at least 2-3 older than both Garcia and Alcantara at those levels and you continue to ignore that numbers arent everything especially when guys are young for their level. Also, no, pitchers who dont put up excellent numbers in AA succeed all the time. Because again, as people continue to tell you and you continue to ignore, the minors arent just about the numbers guys put up.

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BEN MEYER WAS 24 IN FUCKING JUPITER. WHAT PART OF AGE RELATIVE TO COMPETITION DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.

I don't accept the relativity of it at all. Why would anyone? Presumption of similar maturity rates is wrong to begin with. Caribbean/Latin players, who play nothing but baseball, have far more developed arms at earlier ages. Most pitchers today throw harder at 22 than they do at 26. P.S. Luis Castillo is older than Ben Meyer.

[tjfla]

Richards, Peters, and Meyer were all at least 2-3 older than both Garcia and Alcantara at those levels and you continue to ignore that numbers arent everything especially when guys are young for their level. Also, no, pitchers who dont put up excellent numbers in AA succeed all the time. Because again, as people continue to tell you and you continue to ignore, the minors arent just about the numbers guys put up.

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BEN MEYER WAS 24 IN FUCKING JUPITER. WHAT PART OF AGE RELATIVE TO COMPETITION DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.

U are telling me a 24/25 year old should be dominating 21 yr olds??? HMMMM

Not saying u but alot of people forget about age and even where they are playing. If u are a flyball pitcher who throws to contact and are 24 u should look amazing in Jupiter. But if u are 20/21 who have 2 pitches and 1 is a 95+mph u have excuses

Always a good laugh when people just look at stats but don't realize the kid is 21 in AAA(Zac Gallen) and deserves credit OR are 26 in Low A Ball(Max Duval)and should be looking amazing

[Nick]

I've gotta say Lee Stone has brought new life to the tj/fish16 dynamic. Kudos sir.

[tjfla]

Ages and what level u should be at

21 and Younger(Unless Drafted that year)-Low A and Lower
22/23-High A
23/24-AA

If u are 24 u shouldn't be in Jupiter and if u are then u better make jaws drop

[fish16]

I don't accept the relativity of it at all. Why would anyone? Presumption of similar maturity rates is wrong to begin with. Caribbean/Latin players, who play nothing but baseball, have far more developed arms at earlier ages. Most pitchers today throw harder at 22 than they do at 26. P.S. Luis Castillo is older than Ben Meyer.

That's fucking stupid and completely devoid of logic. Its like saying a guy like Jacob Turner going down to Jupiter and dominating as a near 30 year old is more impressive than a 21 year old putting up good but not nearly as good stats. Stats are one piece of evaluation and acting like age and maturity doesnt matter is just about the dumbest thing youve said yet.

Luis castillo also put up the numbers youre referring to as a 22/23 year old and did so exclusively as a starter whereas Meyer did it in Greensboro and Jupiter as a 24 year old and even more important than the age he did so in shorter stints as he only started in 12 of his 32 appearances last year. He has potential as a bullpen arm, but he wont stick as a starter because he's simply not that good.

[Lee Stone]

"Always a good laugh when people just look at stats but don't realize the kid is 21 in AAA(Zac Gallen) and deserves credit OR are 26 in Low A Ball(Max Duval)and should be looking amazing."

Let's ignore the fact that Duval only took up the art of pitching a couple years ago. Actually, I'm very impressed with what he has accomplished. As for Gallen, he never even fared well in AA. I hope he can recover from the beat down of being advanced too quickly.

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I've gotta say Lee Stone has brought new life to the tj/fish16 dynamic. Kudos sir.

Appreciate it. For more to talk about, read my novels (available in e-format on Amazon). I recommend "Free Fish Friday" or "Once Upon a Tee Time!"

[tjfla]

"Always a good laugh when people just look at stats but don't realize the kid is 21 in AAA(Zac Gallen) and deserves credit OR are 26 in Low A Ball(Max Duval)and should be looking amazing."

Let's ignore the fact that Duval only took up the art of pitching a couple years ago. Actually, I'm very impressed with what he has accomplished. As for Gallen, he never even fared well in AA. I hope he can recover from the beat down of being advanced too quickly.

O he has a great story and I actually like his arm. Just saying u have to look at more than just stats in the minors. Age/where they are pitching/pitch counts. Now if Duval is in AA this year and has a 2.08 ERA i will be impressed

[Lee Stone]

Caleb Smith goes tonight. Along with Peters, he has a chance to be a very effective starter this season IMO. Both of them have been plagued by over-throwing thus far (trying too hard). The result has been leaving fast balls up and hanging the breakers.

[geemoney]

Tonight's game is on Fox Sports Florida - Severino and Hollandsworth.

[fish16]

Castros play at first on the first play of the game was weird as hell. Normal hit ground ball right to him as routine as could be and he took forever to throw to first and threw it wide from not too far away with Trea Turner running.

[Namaste]

2nd baseman who take forever to throw the baseball annoy me.

Castro is only in the team because the FO is terrified of losing 100 games. And he smacks balls up the middle and makes it look real easy.

I’m not impressed by Caleb Smith.

Looks like DD will be ok. We really don’t need to lose him for the first 2 months.


Severino will never be a Vin Scully but my first impression of him is:


He’s not annoying. And that’s a good start.

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This Defo cat that played 2B for the Nats today is a defensive WIZARD