Project Wolverine

[Maddawg]

Well I don't see them getting anything close to that $82 million payout, and even $60 million is out of reach. $35-40 is the best I think they'll do, especially if the team is anything as bad as some of us think they might be for several years. I'm not sure that'll help too much with inflation of salaries as it's been.

[fauowls44]

Well I don't see them getting anything close to that $82 million payout, and even $60 million is out of reach. $35-40 is the best I think they'll do, especially if the team is anything as bad as some of us think they might be for several years. I'm not sure that'll help too much with inflation of salaries as it's been.

Did you think the Rays would get anywhere close to that? The going rate seems to be a minimum of $50 million. These are long term commitments. What is currently going on the with the team is irrelevant. They are paying for programming, not team performance. Either way, we are just guessing at this point.

[Maddawg]

Did you think the Rays would get anywhere close to that? The going rate seems to be a minimum of $50 million. These are long term commitments. What is currently going on the with the team is irrelevant. They are paying for programming, not team performance.

yeah but it's programming based on more than that...you have to look deeper. They Rays have an older population....So Fla has no where near the amount of retirees it once had. Miami Beach is not the Jewish retiree haven it once was, and Broward county has less & less retirees each year as they die off, they are being replaced by other groups, especially the gay population. Broward has the 4th largest (0penly) gay population in the country behind LA, NY & SF. It's a significant portion of the population. Stereotyping or not, that is generally a population that doesn't watch sports as much as other segments of the population. Yes the Hispanic population has increased dramatically in the last 20 years, but then that also doesn't seem to matter much either as younger Latino's in big numbers are Basketball & (American) football fans more than baseball fans. Their numbers are higher than native groups, but lower than previous generations, which are dying off.

MLB dropping the ball (pun intended) on cultivating the younger generation is a debate probably for another thread, but it is significant for the Marlins situation, which has significantly less older/less baseball friendly viewership base than the Rays.

[fauowls44]

yeah but it's programming based on more than that...you have to look deeper. They Rays have an older population....So Fla has no where near the amount of retirees it once had. Miami Beach is not the Jewish retiree haven it once was, and Broward county has less & less retirees each year as they die off, they are being replaced by other groups, especially the gay population. Broward has the 4th largest (0penly) gay population in the country behind LA, NY & SF. It's a significant portion of the population. Stereotyping or not, that is generally a population that doesn't watch sports as much as other segments of the population. Yes the Hispanic population has increased dramatically in the last 20 years, but then that also doesn't seem to matter much either as younger Latino's in big numbers are Basketball & (American) football fans more than baseball fans. Their numbers are higher than native groups, but lower than previous generations, which are dying off.

MLB dropping the ball (pun intended) on cultivating the younger generation is a debate probably for another thread, but it is significant for the Marlins situation, which has significantly less older/less baseball friendly viewership base than the Rays.

You make some valid points, I just don't think that all adds up to 50% less than what the Rays got. You are saying they will only get $35-$40 million a year when the going rate for the most recent deals that have been signed have been much more than that. Will they get $82 million? Probably not...but I doubt it'll end up being significantly less.

[Maddawg]

You make some valid points, I just don't think that all adds up to 50% less than what the Rays got. You are saying they will only get $35-$40 million a year when the going rate for the most recent deals that have been signed have been much more than that. Will they get $82 million? Probably not...but I doubt it'll end up being significantly less.

Well we'll have to see but I think it could be that much less given the factors I mention, and lack of excitement surrounding the team, and the losses, all factored by a very stingy front office that seems more inclined to recoup it's investment (Jeter specifically) than put a decent team on te field. Contrary to what Jeter has stated about putting a winning product on the field for the long haul, if the trades they have & will still make, coupled with more poor draft selections/or trading them too early & disdain for aquiring international players continues, the chances of their more than doubling their present deal, I think are fantasyland stuff. Right now, outside of Oakland, I think this is by far the worst potential baseball market for more reasons than have already been stated.

[fauowls44]

Well we'll have to see but I think it could be that much less given the factors I mention, and lack of excitement surrounding the team, and the losses, all factored by a very stingy front office that seems more inclined to recoup it's investment (Jeter specifically) than put a decent team on te field. Contrary to what Jeter has stated about putting a winning product on the field for the long haul, if the trades they have & will still make, coupled with more poor draft selections/or trading them too early & disdain for aquiring international players continues, the chances of their more than doubling their present deal, I think are fantasyland stuff. Right now, outside of Oakland, I think this is by far the worst potential baseball market for more reasons than have already been stated.

Well Tampa is in a similar position baseball-wise (rebuilding club and on top of that they have an uncertain future because of the stadium situation) and they just more than doubled their deal. Anyway, we are likely at least a year away from a new deal being negotiated and things can look very different in a year or 2. I guess time will tell who is right here.

[Maddawg]

Well Tampa is in a similar position baseball-wise (rebuilding club and on top of that they have an uncertain future because of the stadium situation) and they just more than doubled their deal. Anyway, we are likely at least a year away from a new deal being negotiated and things can look very different in a year or 2. I guess time will tell who is right here.

Didn't Tampa just announce a new stadium in Hillsborough County I believe ? That I think is a big factor in their deal. Moving from Pinellas County to Hillsborough means easier access for a lot more people, and a younger population. Pinellas while they watch on TV they don't go to games as many are on fixed incomes. The Rays will benefit significantly. Also remember MLB wanted to move the Marlins to the AL, but Huizenga refused in 1998 to allow it. I wish they had, it would have been significantly added revenue than staying in the NL.

[fauowls44]

Didn't Tampa just announce a new stadium in Hillsborough County I believe ? That I think is a big factor in their deal. Moving from Pinellas County to Hillsborough means easier access for a lot more people, and a younger population. Pinellas while they watch on TV they don't go to games as many are on fixed incomes. The Rays will benefit significantly. Also remember MLB wanted to move the Marlins to the AL, but Huizenga refused in 1998 to allow it. I wish they had, it would have been significantly added revenue than staying in the NL.

No, the Rays haven't agreed to anything stadium-wise. They are still in the relatively early stages on that as far as I know.

[Maddawg]

No, the Rays haven't agreed to anything stadium-wise. They are still in the relatively early stages on that as far as I know.

Well they have chosen Ybor City......

https://www.draysbay.com/2018/1/30/1...ders-financing

[fauowls44]

Well they have chosen Ybor City......

https://www.draysbay.com/2018/1/30/1...ders-financing

Choosing a location is like step 3 of a 100 step process. Remember all the sites the Marlins chose before they ever completed a deal? They chose Bicentennial Park, then it was the Miami Arena site, then it was Hialeah...until the OB site opened and that was the only option that the city/county would consider. The battle over financing alone will take years considering the Rays will definitely be asking for public funds.

[rmc523]

Well we'll have to see but I think it could be that much less given the factors I mention, and lack of excitement surrounding the team, and the losses, all factored by a very stingy front office that seems more inclined to recoup it's investment (Jeter specifically) than put a decent team on te field. Contrary to what Jeter has stated about putting a winning product on the field for the long haul, if the trades they have & will still make, coupled with more poor draft selections/or trading them too early & disdain for aquiring international players continues, the chances of their more than doubling their present deal, I think are fantasyland stuff. Right now, outside of Oakland, I think this is by far the worst potential baseball market for more reasons than have already been stated.

I'm not disagreeing with your other comments, but let's not pretend there's excitement surrounding the Rays.

[Wagner]

Derek Jeter strategy for success extends enormous benefits and spike in Marlins participation. Initially in a five-section arrangement investigating Derek Jeter's business and baseball design. Venture Wolverine, Jeter's private archive given to potential financial specialists and imparted to The Miami Herald by two.

[Nick]

Can anybody explain this bot to me? What's the endgame?

[fish16]

Can anybody explain this bot to me? What's the endgame?

idk either, he's 100% some sort of bot though.

[rmc523]

Can anybody explain this bot to me? What's the endgame?

It's all part of Jeter's plan too, don't worry.