Anyone can say business is business but this is not how you run a business. The Marlins and Loria will be a case study.
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Except it happens everywhere. People are lied to and buy homes and uproot their families all the time as a result. So the extremes on here that act as though it is so incredibly unfathomable just bothers me.
It sucks and its gross - but it's how people everywhere do things. At least these folks can better deal with it because of their salaries
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I think comparing an MLB franchise to a business is incredibly ignorant.
A "business" requires a certain degree of cut-throat, self-interested behavior to survive and/or thrive. Ultimately, everyone in the same industry is in competition with you and, for the most part, it's a zero sum game.
MLB (and pro franchises in general) are basically free ATMs linked to a near bottomless pot of money. There's no real business acumen that needs to go into the franchise's day-to-day operations from a business standpoint. MLB is so flush with cash you cannot lose money. Any franchise claiming they're losing money also probably has oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.
This is completely ignoring the implied contract with the community to be a source of civic pride.
There's simply no reason to use traditional business practices as justification for the Marlins' actions. They're not losing money, they're not in danger of losing money, and they have no natural competition, and their profitability is not tied to what they do individually, it's tied to the league as a whole (which is flourishing) and run by decision maker(s) mutually exclusive from the Marlins. An MLB franchise owner is like the trust-fund grandson of Standard Oil and US Steel. Guess what, you're set forever and you would need to be exceptionally dumb to jeopardize your financial standing.
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Originally posted by Namaste View PostI've seen several posts over the offseason that say something like "I have no issues at all with the way the Marlins handled A, B, C , D , E and F.........but the ownership is still awful".
Ramp or Beef, can you remind me why you still feel the ownership blows because I've honestly forgotten. I'm really not trying to be a dick here.
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Yeah they were terrible last yr. However it takes more than 1yr for a team to gel. Like Cambridge said it. There is no long term outlook for the team. They built it one yr they deemed it a failure and instead of tweaking and trying to make it gel they blew it up. Whether this works or not in the future the damage is done and until Loria is gone the fans ain't a comin.
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Originally posted by Ramp View PostIf this were football or hockey or basketball I would be ok with the "gelling" idea, but baseball isn't as much a team sport when it comes to "gelling"
Plus, while gelling isn't something to consider, that the park plays like Petco with unusual colors on the walls (by any measure, but certainly for a baseball stadium) certainly merits some discussion. Baseball's a very mental game. If you can't see or have a hard time seeing because of the backdrop and if you suddenly believe everything in the air is an out, it's bound to alter things and warrant "adjustment" time.
They gave the team no time. Blowup was happening anyway since they're scumsuckers, but don't pretend that the $100 million team got a full season and ended up with 93 losses.
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IMO, they got more than enough time to show something. All they showed was they were not even a .500 team with as much money as they were making.
Only 2 hitters showed up last season (Reyes and Stanton... and I guess Infante too). The starting pitching wasn't good enough and we all know about the bullpen. It's not like there was all this reason for optimism as we headed into the All Star Break and well beyond them.
And you aren't always going to get full seasons from anyone anyway. The pitching staff was pretty healthy for the most part.
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Originally posted by Ramp View PostIMO, they got more than enough time to show something. All they showed was they were not even a .500 team with as much money as they were making.
Only 2 hitters showed up last season (Reyes and Stanton... and I guess Infante too). The starting pitching wasn't good enough and we all know about the bullpen. It's not like there was all this reason for optimism as we headed into the All Star Break and well beyond them.
And you aren't always going to get full seasons from anyone anyway. The pitching staff was pretty healthy for the most part.
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