Mark Buehrle Fires Back at Miami Marlins: "I Was Lied To"

[oakelmpine]

I'm sure "being paid as the terms of that contract state" makes them not angry about all the fucking money they're losing.

Oh I am sure they are angry, but do you believe they are lying ? That the team DIDN'T give them verbals ? You trust Loria & Co. more than the players ?

[Beef]

I think oakelmpine misunderstood

[lou]

I think you underestimate South Florida fans lack of intelligence.

The reason they might not be drawing in August if they win is because South Florida fans suck.
Did they draw in August last year with these apparently popular group of players?
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Did they draw in August the last time they won the World Series? August isn't fun yet. October would be fun. South Florida fans like fun times because "there's too much to do down here more fun than going to a baseball game in August." How many times have you heard a line like that?

Based on the complete outrage everywhere, I think it's very clear Marlins fans are paying attention to what is going on Erick. Yea, 2012 didn't go so well and people didn't show up. Pretty deflating to see the team fall apart and trade away a few guys (even if necessary) first year in a new stadium no? That does not mean you give up establishing your brand and loyalty to the community that built you a stadium. Winning is part of the equation, it's not the whole burrito like you think it is. These guys were given an amazing second opportunity with a clean slate to start establishing baseball in the city, and they threw it all away and banked in the process. I mean, Loria is going to go down as the worst sports figure in the history of South Florida, you realize this right? People WANT to like the Marlins. There wouldn't be this insane reaction to this trade if they didn't. This ownership makes it nearly impossible, and that is a massive problem. They needed to continue building the team, even if it cost them the money they saved by moving Hanley, Bell, Anibal, Infante, and Choate, and see if they could be in a position to add at the deadline. They needed to establish a new track record and way of doing business. Also, attendance went up in 2004 and 2005 so if you want to bring up August 2003, the residual effects of establishing confidence in your team are felt for seasons. The Marlins needed to change their perception outwardly, and then build a winner. And then maybe, the team would turn into a legitimate mid market team. No chance of that now. Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me. How many times have you heard a line like that before?

I am literally amazed at any apologist perspective for these guys and how this trade was the "right" or "understandable" decision because they weren't going to win a world series. What they should have done is realized this was not going to be an overnight fix after 7 seasons of abuse and still disapproval from 1998 (even if it wasn't them). This is the worst new stadium opening in the history of sports. The stadium was supposed to change everything, it changed nothing but Loria's wallet. No one is going to put more money into it if they have a choice. You have battered wife syndrome. I am sure this all makes sense in your head, but back in reality, we know you didn't fall down those stairs.

I really hope they are over .500 in August. No one is going to be there. No one is going to support these clowns until they do multiple things to earn people's trust. I don't know how they can do it, but winning is not going to be enough. I do know that.

[Beef]

The outrage is everywhere because people are cause heads

[HUGG]

I doubt they're lying. I just think they (their agents) are kinda blowing it up to cover for their own mistakes.

[oakelmpine]

I doubt they're lying. I just think they (their agents) are kinda blowing it up to cover for their own mistakes.

No that won't work, they are either lying or not. There is no middle ground.

[nny]

Beef, look at these quotes from Delgado's agent

that last part is amazing, what a dick

I don't think it's dick, I think it's smart. Pointing out how dumb other agents are while showing how smart you are is a really good recruiting procedure. I mean, it'd be one thing if what he said was incorrect. But the guy is right, he "out-agented" them quite hard.

[lou]

I don't think it's dick, I think it's smart. Pointing out how dumb other agents are while showing how smart you are is a really good recruiting procedure. I mean, it'd be one thing if what he said was incorrect. But the guy is right, he "out-agented" them quite hard.

Absolutely.

Also pretty amazing this didn't become industry standard after the Delgado deal because you know they all talk.

[HUGG]

No that won't work, they are either lying or not. There is no middle ground.

If you actually think that way, I feel bad for you.

[HUGG]

I don't think it's dick, I think it's smart. Pointing out how dumb other agents are while showing how smart you are is a really good recruiting procedure. I mean, it'd be one thing if what he said was incorrect. But the guy is right, he "out-agented" them quite hard.

Being a good agent = being a dick though.

[Beef]

Yeah. It was a dick thing to call out other folks doing their job.

[Ramp]

Doesn't matter what Loria said to Buerhle or Reyes, he did not give them a no-trade clause.

That in itself is written proof that says, we ain't riding this contract out. It's how the Marlins roll.

[lou]

Doesn't matter what Loria said to Buerhle or Reyes, he did not give them a no-trade clause.

That in itself is written proof that says, we ain't riding this contract out. It's how the Marlins roll.

I believe the Marlins strategy going in was, we won't give you the no trade buuuuuuuut we will backload the crap out of it to make it in essence a no trade as who is going to want that backend?

I think this "verbal assurances" thing is the only thing I am not angry about. If it was a deal point important to the player, put it in the contract or don't sign. If not, shut up.

They are dicks for trading them (and not reinvesting in free agency/Stanton which would mitigate it in my eyes), but not because someone said yea we won't trade you.

[Ramp]

I mean, John Buck promised not to be one of the worst players in the entire league last year. Should Loria and Co be upset that he didn't keep his word?

[CrimsonCane]

No that won't work, they are either lying or not. There is no middle ground.

Actually, there is.

What if the front office told Buehrle, "We think we've built a really great team that's going to be successful for years to come. As standard policy, we never include no-trade clauses. But, if this team performs like we expect it to, we don't see any reason why you won't stay in a Marlins uniform for many years."?

Isn't it possible that, after a whole year has passed, Buehrle only really remembers the gist of that conversation and took it to mean he'd be here for a while? In my example, the Marlins never directly said, "Oh, by the way, if we lose a lot of games, all bets are off." But, that thought is perfectly consistent with what I had them say.

Less knee jerk. More critical thinking.