Marlins Trade Everyone to Toronto, Receive lifetime supply of Maple Syrup

[emkayseven]

The more I think about it, the more I see it going down this way:

-Selig "approves" the trade publicly, says Marlins got good baseball value and understands the motives
-Selig "privately" tells Loria the team needs to spend more money and try to sign FAs or they'll face fines and lawsuits and possible forced sale of the team
-Loria and Co. let it "leak accidentally" that they are being forced to spend more money
-The team signs 2 mid-level FAs, keeps Nolasco at least until the deadline, and has at least one high profile whiff ("We TRIED to sign Bourn/Pagan/Melky!")
-Team extends Stanton by June and says "Look, we're spending money on the right players!"

[Erick]

For what it's worth, I don't plan on going to a game next year either.

But, realistically, what Mainge said. If the team is in the World Series 3 years from now, I doubt many people are going to be saying these same things.

[Mainge]

If it was really admitting that they signed all the wrong guys, that they fucked up last year then why didn't they replace the "baseball guys" Samson relied on for this mega trade? You know, those same "baseball guys" that got you all these people last year? The "baseball guys" that traded Cabrera a few years back for nothing. What a fucking joke. Samson gets me lifted

Agreed.

If the baseball guys were so incompetent that they had to blow everything up to rebuild, how the fuck do they still have jobs?

[Ramp]

I swore off them after Hanley, and I can safely say I'm done with them as long as Loria's here. There's just no good reason to support them.

You can do what you want, but after Hanley was traded is when this happened? It's not like Hanley is any good anymore and he's only getting older.

[tjfla]

The more I think about it, the more I see it going down this way:

-Selig "approves" the trade publicly, says Marlins got good baseball value and understands the motives
-Selig "privately" tells Loria the team needs to spend more money and try to sign FAs or they'll face fines and lawsuits and possible forced sale of the team
-Loria and Co. let it "leak accidentally" that they are being forced to spend more money
-The team signs a 2 mid-level FAs, keeps Nolasco at least until the deadline, and has at least one high profile whiff ("We TRIED to sign Bourn/Pagan/Melky!")
-Team extends Stanton by June and says "Look, we're spending money on the right players!"

Sounds about right,I don't think MLB has a problem with us trading guys. The problem is that we don't spend any of that cash. If we traded Nolasco for 2 prospects and then spent his money on another vet SP they prolly wouldn't care.

The thing Loria has going for himself is in 2014 he will have an OF now so what can MLB say? He has no reason to sign a big name FA to a big deal and now can instead pay Marisnick the rookie amount in 2014

[Erick]

Sounds about right,I don't think MLB has a problem with us trading guys. The problem is that we don't spend any of that cash. If we traded Nolasco for 2 prospects and then spent his money on another vet SP they prolly wouldn't care.

The thing Loria has going for himself is in 2014 he will have an OF now so what can MLB say? He has no reason to sign a big name FA to a big deal and now can instead pay Marisnick the rookie amount in 2014

[tjfla]

For what it's worth, I don't plan on going to a game next year either.

But, realistically, what Mainge said. If the team is in the World Series 3 years from now, I doubt many people are going to be saying these same things.

Yep,even tho the team will suck next year and prolly have the #1 pick in 2014(Carlos Rodon). By 2014/15 if most of these guys pan out we will have a very good young team.

[Ramp]

if most pan out?

most have never panned out in the history of major league baseball

also, if the queen had balls, she'd be king

[emkayseven]

James Cybulski @JamesCybulski

Bud Selig news conference will be carried live on @TSN1050Radio and http://tsn.ca/toronto at 4pm. Any nervous Jays fans out there?

that's the most "official" statement i've seen on twitter about a 4pm conference. is that a real thing?

[Flum]

I'm not missing a World Series game.

And let's face, if we're in the WS 3 years from now, it's because Loria/FO really did just want a clean slate to start over, did reinvest into the team, and found some studs in this trade.

In which case, all is forgiven.

Right. In that scenario, where they go to the World Series.

But does anyone actually see that happening? Or does anyone actually have faith that will happen? If they intended to build something, they would have gotten more back for the players they traded. If they are just going to turn around and invest in more free agents, then why did they just get rid of their young elite shortstop who was just acquired in free agency? And if they want to win, why do they keep the same front office staff that has repeatedly made bad decision after bad decision?

[tjfla]

Its the truth

LF-Yelich
CF-Marisnick
RF-Stanton
4th OF-Ruggiano

Ozuna in AAA

All Loria has to say is u are forcing me to spend 50 million dollars on a guy when I got these guys(Who are in MLB Top 30 Prospects) playing?

[oakelmpine]

Agreed.

If the baseball guys were so incompetent that they had to blow everything up to rebuild, how the fuck do they still have jobs?

This is what should give anyone pause to think this is about winning, or is it just a salary dump, which is what it really is going on here. Sure they might win some more games next year by dumb luck, but this is nothing more than to get the salary as low as possible for an exit strategy.

One thing though too.....didn't the players union get after them about how little they spent, I wonder how this is playing out at their HQ ?

[Swifty]

You can do what you want, but after Hanley was traded is when this happened? It's not like Hanley is any good anymore and he's only getting older.

It's really not about good or bad, it's about trust. That was my biggest issue with Hanley with what he represented and the closeness to the stadium's opening.

I really don't think what happened with Toronto was so egregious, in a vacuum. Those were, mostly, bad contracts for a lot of non-cornerstone players. Arguably, the biggest loss is Buehrle. Reyes due to positional scarcity, perhaps. Neither are slam dunk 'elite.' Johnson's phenomenal when healthy, but that's a big caveat. They got shit back, I don't really think there's any denying it. The value that came back is shedding the contracts. Which then goes back to the original trust issue. What good is payroll flexibility if you don't trust them to reinvest, and, a step further, if you don't trust them to reinvest competently?

[Mainge]

Right. In that scenario, where they go to the World Series.

But does anyone actually see that happening? Or does anyone actually have faith that will happen? If they intended to build something, they would have gotten more back for the players they traded. If they are just going to turn around and invest in more free agents, then why did they just get rid of their young elite shortstop who was just acquired in free agency? And if they want to win, why do they keep the same front office staff that has repeatedly made bad decision after bad decision?

My best guess is no. I was just answering Erick's hypothetical question.

[Erick]

Its the truth

LF-Yelich
CF-Marisnick
RF-Stanton
4th OF-Ruggiano

Ozuna in AAA

All Loria has to say is u are forcing me to spend 50 million dollars on a guy when I got these guys(Who are in MLB Top 30 Prospects) playing?

I'm pretty sure Loria is going to have to invest money in the team. That's all that really matters to Bud Selig, who probably doesn't even know who those guys are.

Also, let's stop talking about Marisnick like he's a sure thing prospect. Nice to have him in the system but he's still extremely raw apparently and the Marlins haven't had much success developing players recently.