LeBatard: Stanton May Not Accept Long Term Deal

[Namaste]

I'm done if Stanton isn't locked up.

Done.
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I fully expect to be done.

Are you done if Stanton is the one who prevents the lock up?
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It would be funny if they offered him 6/$70 or whatever the contract needs to be and he turned it down.

I don't think that would be funny at all.

[Chewford]

I think it would be funny.

And then I would check the classified ads for a new baseball team to root for.

[Blackout Pact]

Baltimore?

[emkayseven]

Are you done if Stanton is the one who prevents the lock up?
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I don't think that would be funny at all.

Yes, I am. Because if he turns it down, it's because they waited too long and he saw the way this FO operates. After year 1 there's no way a kid his age turns down a giant guaranteed contract. After the years he's having he can make tremendo bux in arby and then walk and get his somewhere else, from a team that will give him a no trade clause and a place where he knows he'll be surrounded by actual players and not Gil Velazquez

[Chewford]

Baltimore?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHOIpMNW4R4[/ame]

They even have a better fan base than Miami!


I did grow up a Baltimore fan.

[Valid]

"Unconfirmed rumblings."

I think that's all that needs to be said.

[Anonymous]

"Unconfirmed rumblings."

I think that's all that needs to be said.

Exactly. I doubt this is true.

[lou]

Posturing. Use Marlins front office insanity against them.

He has probably maxed over Cargo with all the bombs this year in limited ABs though. This is probably pushing into 7/$85-90 territory. Which I find completely reasonable. Marlins should offer $80, Stanton says $100, meet in middle. This is an easy one. Loria just needs to put up.

That includes 3 free agency years. If he doesn't get injured, he probably makes over $50 just in the arbitration years (10-17-23 or whatever. Its gonna be brutal). Certainly a $25 million a year player as a 26 year old in free agency so you can do the math on savings here. Stanton isn't walking away from $90. No way in hell. I don't care how much you like LA, thats so much money and eliminates all future injury risk. He can go there when he is 29.
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After the years he's having he can make tremendo bux in arby and then walk and get his somewhere else, from a team that will give him a no trade clause and a place where he knows he'll be surrounded by actual players and not Gil Velazquez

Still a long time until April 2014 for that first "real" paycheck. Marlins still have the upper hand this offseason, but like what everyone says, NOW. Not march. NOW.

Also, I'd imagine they'd sit him down and give him the run down of what the 3-5 year plan is. I'm sure it looks good on paper and that alleviates all insanity front office issues. I mean, I can spout off about Yelich, Fernandez, were keeping Reyes and Buerhle, we're gonna get a 3B for JJ, we are lowering payroll in 2013 to use it in 2014/2015 and we'll have all star game revenue too. I mean, there is plenty they can sell here to fix the "Gil Velazquez" issue.

Bottom line is pay the man
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Also I'd like to add, I would have an incredibly hard time being a Marlins fan with this ownership/front office group if they don't lock up Stanton. Shit like JJ, Solano penned into starting next year, not reinvesting the Hanley payroll, etc sucks but is arguable to be better as the team is more than 1 or 2 players away right now. But Stanton. There is no argument to be made he is not a Trout/Harper centerpiece and a future # 1 player on a playoff team, if he isn't already that.

Pay the man

[Anonymous]

In his shoes, I wouldn't sign for this franchise. Because what polky said.

You would turn down 90+ million?

[Valid]

In his shoes, I wouldn't sign for this franchise. Because what polky said.

But he would sign with any of the other 29 franchises, right?

The posts around here are getting very funny. It was just last year that everyone was on the front office's bandwagon for its offseason haul.

[Ramp]

the Marlins should have signed Stanton sooner but if they offer him a good deal and he turns it down, I won't have much of an issue with the front office in this respect

[Swifty]

If anyone heard Samson with LeBatard a few weeks ago ("I still don't know why his agent hasn't called") it's overly obvious they still haven't learned a thing from Cabrera. Every day that goes by Stanton is more valuable than he was the day before. A 26 year old Stanton (recurring knee injury withstanding) has a very real chance to be baseball's first $300 million player if you think he still has room to grow and that his ability to hit for (relatively) high average isn't a mirage.

What's going to be great is when they lowball him a la Cabrera and then wonder what gives. I don't blame him either, this is a shit team in a shit market in a crappy stadium (yeah the amenities are great, but the dimensions produce slap fight baseball, and that sucks). Maybe security is great, but if you can keep your eye on 2014 you have an unprecedented payday waiting for you (while cleaning up in arbitration).
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Put this another way, use lou's $50 mil arby schedule, and let's go super conservative and say he'll get $250 mil as a FA in 2014 2017 (when he'll be 26). So a 26 year old Giancarlo has, theoretically, $300 million waiting for him, and on a much better team. Makes it a lot easier to turn down the $90 million, which the Marlins won't offer anyway.

[lou]

Swift, he is

2013 - CC
2014-2016 Arb

Free Agency 2017

Long long time until those hypothetical free agent dollars. I would agree things would be very different if the hypothetical massive payday was in 2 offseason. But it ain't.

[Swifty]

Yeah, you're right, it won't be 2014, but he will be 26. I was going to make two arguments (first big money in '14, FA at 26 and created a hybrid).

[lou]

He takes 7/$90. He would be an idiot to risk a major injury in 2013 and 2014 which could dent into his Arb2/3. With his history, no way. The allure of free agency dollars and what Prince did is nice, but at the end of the day a market level contract that does not prevent the player from becoming a free agent 28-30 for a 2nd massive pay day is a no brain decision for the player. Miami certainly has some front office issues, but that isn't going to determine this. This was a bad year, they all know it. And like I said, there is enough to sell about future player potential and open payroll to convince any player on paper things will be alright.

It's really simple. Pay the man.
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Yeah, you're right, it won't be 2014, but he will be 26. I was going to make two arguments (first big money in '14, FA at 26 and created a hybrid).

What's the big money though? Say a $12 million first year arb tender? I mean yea, that is fantastic. But that's not $90. I don't think you pass up $90 for the promise of $12 and future undeterminable riches.