2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[sports24/7]

Absolutely, but also all it takes is 1 or 2 guys completely outperforming expectations to change everything. Jerar seems like one guy who could come not necessarily out of nowhere but definitely outperform what we thought he could be. If just 2 of these power bats perform, we’re talking a whole other story. if I had to guess a few outside of berry, it would be jerar, burdick, Mack eventually, and cappe. BA guy is incredibly high on him. I think we will find an outfield eventually as long as jazz can stay in center, if we can find a long term 1b and 3b out of the prospects in the next few years, we will be a contender for a few year stretch

Jerar is the guy I feel like has the best chance to surprise out of the closer-to-the-big leagues, but lesser prospects in the system. I also feel like maybe we're all overlooking Groshans more than we should considering what he did after Miami traded for him.

[fish16]

Jerar is the guy I feel like has the best chance to surprise out of the closer-to-the-big leagues, but lesser prospects in the system. I also feel like maybe we're all overlooking Groshans more than we should considering what he did after Miami traded for him.

his bat profile reminds me a lot of ozuna. that might be too high for him to reach, but just the ability is reminiscent of him. Wont wow you athletically and isnt fast, but a big dude with a ton of righty power in a corner OF spot or at 1b. if he and berry hit, this whole team looks completely different.

And im not super high on groshans, but if you look at his career numbers coming up, he was really good, just had a terrible start to the year last year with the blue jays minor league system and lost his power. it came back a good amount when he got into our minor league system and then was just getting his feet wet at the major league level so not a ton to take away from that, but he was a pretty highly ranked prospect until the start of last year. If he can find average power at the major league level, he should be a starter at some point. Good trade for 2 bullpen arms that we can find elsewhere.

[fish16]

pirates still havent made another offer to reynolds reportedly and they are 54 million apart in negotiations. he will come available at some point. they need to get him.

[fish16]

spring training starts today. about a month away from opening day. lets go!

[fish16]

sixto is definitely not going to be ready opening day, and Heyman says he isnt expected to be ready until summer. so that whole he will be ready for spring training line from when he had his surgery was either completely wrong or he is not recovering as expected.

[Nick]

sixto is definitely not going to be ready opening day, and Heyman says he isnt expected to be ready until summer. so that whole he will be ready for spring training line from when he had his surgery was either completely wrong or he is not recovering as expected.

One thing’s for sure, we’ll be left completely in the dark about what’s going on with him.

[lou]

sixto is definitely not going to be ready opening day, and Heyman says he isnt expected to be ready until summer. so that whole he will be ready for spring training line from when he had his surgery was either completely wrong or he is not recovering as expected.

I can tell you the exact day he will miraculously be healthy and ready - 119 service days into the season

[fish16]

I can tell you the exact day he will miraculously be healthy and ready - 119 service days into the season

they arent playing service time games with a guy who has missed 2 full years. it's stupid. he isnt fully healthy. when he is, he will be back. That might happen to coincide with his service time deadlines, but that would be an incredibly dumb thing to be worried about for a guy who cant stay healthy

[fish16]

Listening to the new swings and mishes, and he says what we are all saying pretty much at this point, arraez and segura are hitting really well and should help the on base percentage, but the question is who drives them home. As ive been saying and most of us have, he says that the key to this offense and just how improved it actually is is if Soler and Garcia can have bounceback years and drive those guys home when they do get on base.

He says he has a really good feeling on Soler. Its financially motivated because his salary goes from 15 million this season to 9 next season, but he can opt out, so he might be super motivated to have another huge year and sucker another team into paying him again. Garcia he says he has no feel on, but he's in much better shape. I think they both bounce back to an extent, but it still feels 1 power bat short. Maybe DLC and Sanchez break out, but it's just ridiculous that they didnt get in the correa talks. It's a clear opening, and he would have been the perfect centerpiece to add to this offseason.

[Nick]

I can tell you the exact day he will miraculously be healthy and ready - 119 service days into the season

I seriously doubt this. If he was healthy and they were playing the service time game there's no reason he wouldn't at least be playing in the minors.

[lou]

they arent playing service time games with a guy who has missed 2 full years. it's stupid. he isnt fully healthy. when he is, he will be back. That might happen to coincide with his service time deadlines, but that would be an incredibly dumb thing to be worried about for a guy who cant stay healthy

What you perceive as stupid and what they are going to do are two entirely different things. Please note I agree with you - throw the best 13 possible at all times and the only thing they should do is high level things. Like wait two weeks to call up Fernandez and don't open the season with him, and how I also advocated for calling up Meyer for the bullpen 2 weeks into last year (thus accepting super 2 status but getting year 7 which is all that matters) and slowly stretching him out Johan Santana style.

But I also can accept what the organization *is* going to do to extract every ounce of value out of these guys. Case and point.

Garret is healthy from his rehab in early September.

AAA Garrett 9/7 start < - One more final official rehab start
MLB Garrett 9/12 start <- called up, immediately demoted. Why?
AAA Garrett 9/17 start <-- Kept normal schedule in AAA. He could have been used over multiple appearances or a start. He earned this time for sure
MLB Garret 9/23 start < - Called back up for a final 3 starts

You know what that did? It caused him to land at .168 days of service time and getting them a year of control. They are not fucking around. Garrett frankly has a grievance case as this is straight up gangster by the Marlins as there was no reason to not keep him up with what he did last year. I applaud this from the front office as this creates more value for them over basically nothing appearances in September in a losing year, but we can be equally sad this is the type of behavior the sport requires.


This is going to happen again and again with every one of their players they can do this with, and yes, Sixto is clearly one of them based on his health, their P depth, and they can milk that until the last week of July for sure. And if you think I am wrong, Edward Cabrera has .168 days of service time. This is not an accident. Groshans will not be on the MLB roster more than 100 days this season (avoids super-2). We won't see Eury, Eder, likely Amaya until mid-June (avoids super-2). Fulton, absent a real explosion, won't be put on the 40 man because they don't need to protect him this offseason so they can punt him to next year, and then we can debate if he goes on the "call up in 2 week" program or does that shift to summer 2024. Same thing with Berry. Summer 2024 guys to presumably skip on super 2 status.

And if we think this is limited to the Marlins, Puk has 2.124 days of service time. The super 2 deadline was 2.128. He didn't get arbitration for 4 days.... much how Garret and Cabrera are 4 days from a year of service time. Oakland was perfect with him.

This is what it is.

[lou]

Listening to the new swings and mishes, and he says what we are all saying pretty much at this point, arraez and segura are hitting really well and should help the on base percentage, but the question is who drives them home. As ive been saying and most of us have, he says that the key to this offense and just how improved it actually is is if Soler and Garcia can have bounceback years and drive those guys home when they do get on base.

He says he has a really good feeling on Soler. Its financially motivated because his salary goes from 15 million this season to 9 next season, but he can opt out, so he might be super motivated to have another huge year and sucker another team into paying him again. Garcia he says he has no feel on, but he's in much better shape. I think they both bounce back to an extent, but it still feels 1 power bat short. Maybe DLC and Sanchez break out, but it's just ridiculous that they didnt get in the correa talks. It's a clear opening, and he would have been the perfect centerpiece to add to this offseason.

Yes this lack of a SS is the incredible offseason failure. It was CF last year, and now it shifts to this.

[Nick]

Yes this lack of a SS is the incredible offseason failure. It was CF last year, and now it shifts to this.

It's splitting hairs, but it's the same exact failure. They could've moved Jazz to CF last season just as easily.

[rmc523]

sixto is definitely not going to be ready opening day, and Heyman says he isnt expected to be ready until summer. so that whole he will be ready for spring training line from when he had his surgery was either completely wrong or he is not recovering as expected.

Are any of us surprised at this point with how many delays his recovery has had? I’m still not counting on anything from him.

[rmc523]

It's splitting hairs, but it's the same exact failure. They could've moved Jazz to CF last season just as easily.

For sure. Bruce should’ve spent on a SS.