2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Lee's favorite future ace humberto mejia signed a minor league deal with the mets.

[lou]

Castano passed through waivers and remained in organization.


Jumbo Shrimp world champions

[fish16]

Castano passed through waivers and remained in organization.


Jumbo Shrimp world champions

that's cool, was hoping he would stick around. he shouldnt be in a rotation but as a depth piece who can throw some decent innings if we're in a bind, he's a good guy to have around. Even better that he's not on the 40 man. I also saw a tweet saying that he had apparently done something this offseason and his velocity is sitting 94 as opposed to 90-91 like it has been, so that might be an interesting thing to keep an eye on.

[sports24/7]

Interestingly, Jacob Berry is ranked 61 in the MLB Pipeline top 100. I think, partly because we’re jaded, the expectations among the Fanbase are low with him. But he’ll be interesting to watch this year. If he can become even a decent hitter, that would be pretty big, because he should move quickly.

Meyer is 67, and Perez is 13 (somehow he went down). I think realistically Eder and Fulton could crack the top 100 this year, as well (apparently Fulton just missed the list).

[lou]

Interestingly, Jacob Berry is ranked 61 in the MLB Pipeline top 100. I think, partly because we’re jaded, the expectations among the Fambase are low with him. But he’ll be interesting to watch this year. If he can become even a decent hitter, that would be pretty big, because he should move quickly.

Meyer is 67, and Perez is 13 (somehow he went down). I think realistically Eder and Fulton could crack the top 100 this year, as well (apparently Fulton just missed the list).

Seems high for Berry/Meyer. I imagine Eder and Fulton are close, and Sixto, Watson, and maybe Mack have the ability to climb quickly if they have hot starts.

Berry has barely played. I don't think any of us should be jaded (except for the defense).

[lou]

Just thinking about the Jumbo Shrimp. Maybe I am missing someone, but:

C - Austin Allen, Paul McIntosh
1B - Troy Johnston, Chris LeBlanc
2B - Xavier Edwards, Jose Devers
SS - Jacob Amaya, C.J. Hinojosa, Alex De Goti
3B - Jordan Groshans
LF - JJ Bleday, Brian Miller
CF - Jake Mangum, Garret Hampson, Victor Victor Mesa
RF - Peyton Burdick, Jerar Encarnacion

SP - Eury Perez, Daniel Castano, Sixto Sanchez, Devin Smeltzer, Bryan Hoeing
RHP - Tommy Nance, H. Brazoban, George Soriano, Eli Villalobos, Chi Chi Gonzalez, Geoff Hartlib, Enrique Burgos
LHP - Josh Simpson, Sean Reynolds, Andrew Nardi, Jeffrey Yan

(AA - Eder.... or maybe Eury opens in AA and Eder is pumped up as he's older, Fulton, McCambley, N. Nunez)


I can't remember an AAA team the Marlins have had this deep in forever. It is just Eury as a star prospect here, but you can really find something up and down every position group to like here as at least a good replacement player exists everywhere on paper and there is a larger assortment of FV45-FV40 guys or younger guys like Hampson maybe just needing a location change (shit, even Miller and Hinojosa had interesting slashes last year). You can truly say something nice about almost everyone here even if they all have their deficiencies and many limited upside where we are talking a last bench bat or reliever for some. But that is something. They've certainly failed so far in addressing some MLB concerns, but with their positional versatility with Arraez/Jazz/Berti/Wendle/Segura, they have set up the squad to be able to take whoever is best on this entire AAA roster for the bench and move their MLB guys around. Those pitchers frankly could easily throw 200 innings this year and it may not be embarrassing at all. This is a massive depth chart step up for them from the last few years of all young, theoretically ascending guys, versus some of these 30 year old Erik Gonzalez/Astudillo/Lorenzo Quintana guys just eating PA. Ryan Lavarnway somehow got 150 PA for them last year in AAA. Scanning the AAA stats quickly, they definitely threw away 2,000+ PA on guys who were likely not real MLB options or whatever ones like Gonzalez that offered no upside and maybe just some defense.

I think this is worth a mention that while we can heavily criticize them for the "main" moves, some of the underneath ones like assembling this collection of guys, opening the academy in the DR, etc. is inching the organizational needle forward. These are all good developments and shows good business practices under the surface, even if in the grand scheme of thing not signing a big 4 SS/doing the big Reyolds trade/etc. is the move the entire front office gets judged on. Basically, it's all still a Bruce problem as a bunch of dummies isn't putting together this AAA depth. I appreciate this, but go get another major bat somewhere now.

[lou]

And if anyone is interested, Misner didn't get a glowing write up, but they kept him as a FV45 as he may play up as a platoon bat in a corner. So they didn't give up a CF here more than likely. Seems like the same player as Bleday, high walks, high whiffs, pray for a platoon split. And Johnson (traded for Edwards) is a whatever FV35+ guy who could be a last guy on the staff if he works out - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/tampa-ba...rospects-2023/

[Nick]

Both Eder and Eury will be at AAA. (if they're healthy of course)

[lou]

Both Eder and Eury will be at AAA. (if they're healthy of course)

Maybe. There are a lot of arms here, and obviously not a single player on that list is holding them back, but I can see them each doing 1-2 months in AA before a call up just for conditioning and bringing them along slowly. They just call up guys to the bigs from AA anyways so it really doesn't matter. Just saying above, this is some good/smart depth. But they need those last 3 or so guys for the MLB roster for us to take them seriously as a winning team/fringe contender.

[Nick]

Maybe. There are a lot of arms here, and obviously not a single player on that list is holding them back, but I can see them each doing 1-2 months in AA before a call up just for conditioning and bringing them along slowly. They just call up guys to the bigs from AA anyways so it really doesn't matter. Just saying above, this is some good/smart depth. But they need those last 3 or so guys for the MLB roster for us to take them seriously as a winning team/fringe contender.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eder makes a couple starts in Jupiter, to work his way back from injury, but one he's fully ready to go, he'll be in AAA.

[Lee Stone]

I wouldn't be surprised if Eder makes a couple starts in Jupiter, to work his way back from injury, but one he's fully ready to go, he'll be in AAA.

I have no idea where Eder's rehab stands because nobody has reported a word about it. Last thing I read was that he was throwing a bullpen session ... last June. One would think his arm should be sound by now and that his core and legs should be stronger than ever. But again, there have been no interviews or updates. Given the excellence of his start with Pensacola, that seems very weird to me. When I google his status, there is nada.

[fish16]

hasnt been reported but i said this a few weeks ago, eder broke his foot last year while rehabbing somehow. Im not sure if that set back his rehab at all, but it makes sense that he would start in High A or even Jupiter and work his way back up.

[fish16]

Also, i think eury starts the first month off at AA instead of AAA. He will dominate there for a month and then they will move him up. It will give them an excuse to avoid bringing him up until the service time issues pass, although we wont really have a need for a SP on the big league team on paper. I could see his season being April in AA, May-July in AAA, then a couple rotation starts in the big leagues, and then moving to the bullpen to limit the innings or being shut down entirely if we are out of it. The goal for this season is to build his innings and keep him healthy so he can be ready to pitch 125-150 innings next year in the big league rotation and then be let loose in 2025.

[fish16]

also, they need 1 more high end bullpen arm before this offseason is over. If they were looking at Profar and Guerriel, clearly they have some money left. I would like Andrew Chafin or Alex Reyes as a buy low high upside arm.

[fish16]

if Reynolds is not actually available yet, the orioles have a ton of hitting prospects that could make a ton of sense for us to go after using the pitching. 8 top 100 prospects in total according to the list that came out from pipeline yesterday, 6 of which are bats. Fulton and Eder might be an interesting swap for Westburg or Joey ortiz. Westburg is probably the better fit there. Ortiz is a SS and while we dont have a long term answer there, we have a ton more options over the next few years than 3b, of which we have none because Berry is a 1b. Say we swap fulton or Eder or some combo of those guys for Westburg, if Berry pans out, that leaves us in a pretty decent position in 2024.

C- Fortes
1b- Berry
2b- Arraez
SS- ? Segura ?
3b- Westburg
LF- Sanchez/Bleday
CF- Jazz
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Obviously SS would be a big question, but i would prefer to go after a long term 3b if we make a move right now and let the SS prospects show something for 1 more year of development. I think we will have a much better idea of what we have in Watson, Cappe, Lewis, ets after this year.

Plus we havent had a longterm cornerstone type 3b in way too long. Our leaders at 3b in WAR by year- Anderson for 5 years, then Dietrich, then prado for 2, then mcgehee, then polanco, then hanley in 2012, then Dobbs, helms, bonifacio, then cantu. Those are our 3b since we traded Cabrera.