2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[sports24/7]

Reynolds is a superstar that literally every contending team in baseball wants and the Pirates are waiting for someone to pay exorbitantly for him because they understand how valuable he is. Please stop back tracking. Remember how you didn't even realize for months what Reynolds service time was and had an epiphany he had more control than you thought and then started warming up to him? There is no lower price for him. He has years of control. He's great. Reynolds is not a complimentary piece. He'd be the 2nd/3rd best player on the team instantly and for years. This is getting tiresome.

And it's the bold type comments where I think you might really be a front office stooge. This is gaslighting. Reynolds is a great player. This team should strive to acquire many great players and as one called it, BUILD, the franchise. It's the same package as last year so any suggestion a trade package is ridiculous is moot. Remember when the rumor was the Pirates wanted Meyer/Bleday/Watson and you were like WOAH Watson was the # 1 pick, Bleday is turning around with the AFL, and Meyer is a stud. So you want to play the revisionist card, would you trade Meyer/Bleday/Watson for Reynolds today? Would this team be better off having traded for Reynolds then hoarding prospects? I *really* hope you can figure this one out.

I agree with most of what you're saying here, and we're talking semantics, but I don't think Reynolds is a superstar. I see superstars as somewhere in the top 10-15 players in the league, and Reynolds is probably somewhere in the late 20's-30's. I agree that they shouldn't horde prospects, and should go after guys like that (assuming an extension is also coming), but I also think there has to be a cutoff point, because value is still value, and if the ask is too high, you should be able to use that value elsewhere. It's too bad they didn't pull the trigger on him in previous years because many of those prospects have probably lost value, but I think there's also an argument there for using what you have when the value is high maybe moreso than the idea that it would be ok to overpay now. Because of all of this, Eury would be a non-starter for me in a Reynolds deal, especially if he's going out with other top prospects. I could probably get on board with sending a package of damn near anyone else in the system, though, if you're also extending Reynolds.

[sports24/7]

Adalberto Mondesi was traded to the Red Sox for Josh Taylor and Boston is also getting a PTBNL. Ideally, I'd like to see the Marlins go after someone better, but if the alternative is to keep the roster the way it is, a guy like Modesi who was once seen as having some upside, but has seen his value fall, but is still young, is exactly the type of player they should be going after. There's obviously a lot of injury history with Mondesi, specifically, but these are the guys you take a chance on when you don't have money to spend, and have a depleted farm system.

[fish16]

Adalberto Mondesi was traded to the Red Sox for Josh Taylor and Boston is also getting a PTBNL. Ideally, I'd like to see the Marlins go after someone better, but if the alternative is to keep the roster the way it is, a guy like Modesi who was once seen as having some upside, but has seen his value fall, but is still young, is exactly the type of player they should be going after. There's obviously a lot of injury history with Mondesi, specifically, but these are the guys you take a chance on when you don't have money to spend, and have a depleted farm system.

He is a free agent after this year and he has been healthy for a single year of his 7 year career and it was the covid shortened 2020 season. He also has 412 k's and just 60 walks in over 1723 AB's. His career OBP is .280. He is as one trick of a pony as it gets in that he has speed. that's about it. If they could have gotten him for nothing sure, but he doesnt really bring much to the table. His value/fame was more from a fantasy perspective, not real life.

[lou]

I agree with most of what you're saying here, and we're talking semantics, but I don't think Reynolds is a superstar. I see superstars as somewhere in the top 10-15 players in the league, and Reynolds is probably somewhere in the late 20's-30's. I agree that they shouldn't horde prospects, and should go after guys like that (assuming an extension is also coming), but I also think there has to be a cutoff point, because value is still value, and if the ask is too high, you should be able to use that value elsewhere. It's too bad they didn't pull the trigger on him in previous years because many of those prospects have probably lost value, but I think there's also an argument there for using what you have when the value is high maybe moreso than the idea that it would be ok to overpay now. Because of all of this, Eury would be a non-starter for me in a Reynolds deal, especially if he's going out with other top prospects. I could probably get on board with sending a package of damn near anyone else in the system, though, if you're also extending Reynolds.

It's semantics, but sure. If we combine the 5 projections out (what I did with Arraez/Rosario), Reynolds is projecting as 38th in production among bats. I think that's fair. So we're talking a perennial all star kind of guy. We can use whatever terminology we want. And I think all these guys are extension only acquisitions. The Braves are doing it right with Matt Olson and Sean Murphy. Arraez should be signed, and if they do get Reynolds, he should be signed too.

All I know is I'd be pretty happy if the top 4 Marlins hitters were projected as 38th (Reynolds, 51st (Jazz), 56th (Arraez), and 65 (Rosario), and every one of those guys can scale up big time. We shall see.

[lou]

Adalberto Mondesi was traded to the Red Sox for Josh Taylor and Boston is also getting a PTBNL. Ideally, I'd like to see the Marlins go after someone better, but if the alternative is to keep the roster the way it is, a guy like Modesi who was once seen as having some upside, but has seen his value fall, but is still young, is exactly the type of player they should be going after. There's obviously a lot of injury history with Mondesi, specifically, but these are the guys you take a chance on when you don't have money to spend, and have a depleted farm system.

Absolutely. PA per PA, he's played as a 3.5+ WAR player since the start of 2018. He just needs to stay healthy. That's such a good rate and he's cheap who cares if he misses 80 games with the Marlins depth Would have been a good idea.

[lou]

They signed Devin Smeltzer - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/de...ats?position=P

This is a really nice "innings eater" signing. 70 IP, 3.71 ERA, 1.22 whip last year MLB level. Analytics suggest he was pretty lucky though. This fills a "Neidert" void (still not sure why they got rid of him) and is a solid nice depth signing. He could be an adequate injury replacement to get to Eury/Eder/Sixto in the summer.

This helps move the needle of do they have another pitching trade in them. This is the kind of depth they need and is smart. Hope they can pitch mix him like Thompson.

[sports24/7]

He is a free agent after this year and he has been healthy for a single year of his 7 year career and it was the covid shortened 2020 season. He also has 412 k's and just 60 walks in over 1723 AB's. His career OBP is .280. He is as one trick of a pony as it gets in that he has speed. that's about it. If they could have gotten him for nothing sure, but he doesnt really bring much to the table. His value/fame was more from a fantasy perspective, not real life.

He's a lottery ticket that costs nothing. Again, my preference would be something better, but if we're talking about status quo or adding a player like this, I'd easily prefer adding a player like this. Also, I think the notion that he doesn't bring much to the table, or that his value was just from a fantasy prospective isn't fair. This was a 2.5 WAR player in consecutive seasons in 2018 and 2019. If you get him for free, and he doesn't stay healthy, or regain that form, what does it cost you? It doesn't necessarily have to be Mondesi, but this is the type of player they should be looking at. .

[fish16]

They signed Devin Smeltzer - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/de...ats?position=P

This is a really nice "innings eater" signing. 70 IP, 3.71 ERA, 1.22 whip last year MLB level. Analytics suggest he was pretty lucky though. This fills a "Neidert" void (still not sure why they got rid of him) and is a solid nice depth signing. He could be an adequate injury replacement to get to Eury/Eder/Sixto in the summer.

This helps move the needle of do they have another pitching trade in them. This is the kind of depth they need and is smart. Hope they can pitch mix him like Thompson.

not sure why they got rid of neidert either, but he seems to fill the Castano role to me. Lefty with not great stuff that somehow gets outs without striking many guys out. Not sure if castano chooses free agency or to come back here, but he seems to fill that void.

[fish16]

He's a lottery ticket that costs nothing. Again, my preference would be something better, but if we're talking about status quo or adding a player like this, I'd easily prefer adding a player like this. Also, I think the notion that he doesn't bring much to the table, or that his value was just from a fantasy prospective isn't fair. This was a 2.5 WAR player in consecutive seasons in 2018 and 2019. If you get him for free, and he doesn't stay healthy, or regain that form, what does it cost you? It doesn't necessarily have to be Mondesi, but this is the type of player they should be looking at. .

He is a career 30.2% K, 4.4% walk, .280 OBP, 79 WRC+. and a .244 average. He is a guy who cant walk or hit and strikes out a ton but can run and plays good defense. For 3 million, no thank you. Berti does what he does and does it much better and with other aspects to his game.

[Todd]

not sure why they got rid of neidert either, but he seems to fill the Castano role to me. Lefty with not great stuff that somehow gets outs without striking many guys out. Not sure if castano chooses free agency or to come back here, but he seems to fill that void.

I have no clue why they got rid of Neidert, Poteet, or Holloway. Three very solid and cheap BP arms who can also step up and get a start if necessary.

[fish16]

I have no clue why they got rid of Neidert, Poteet, or Holloway. Three very solid and cheap BP arms who can also step up and get a start if necessary.

poteet needed tommy john and will be out most if not all of this year. I think the way that would work would be that they would have to carry him on the 40 man throughout the offseason and then put him on the 60 day DL at the start of spring training but im not positive.

Holloway is the righty tanner scott with worse stuff. that guy had no idea where the ball was going when it left his hand. I never got the buzz for him as he was coming up through the minors. He had 0 control.

Neidert felt like he never got a great shot. He never really struck any guys out at the major league level with just 28 k's in 49 innings, but he was never really given an extended look. It felt like he was a guy who should have gotten a bigger look out of the bullpen to see if he could be another one of those guys who couldnt cut it as a 6 inning starter but whose stuff played up out of the bullpen. Given some of the other guys we kept like tommy nance, it felt like neidert should have stuck around.

[rmc523]

Not sure if it's true, but this article mentions that the Marlins could potentially be up for sale soon.

It is uncertain whether such a record MLB bid would have materialized. The Washington Nationals have not found a buyer despite being up for sale since April. The Baltimore Orioles and Miami Marlins could go up for sale soon, according to MLB sources who declined to be identified, and the Oakland Athletics and Tampa Bay Rays have yet to secure the new ballpark that each team has sought for more than a decade.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/angel...selling-angels


We need a Cohen-type owner that's willing to eat losses and spend a ton and give people a reason to come out to the park. Attendance will follow that investment (and hopefully associated on-field success), which is something that Sherman & Co failed to realize, and/or can't do.

We all know the only reason Sherman got the team was because of the Jeter association. Otherwise he wouldn't have been in contention.

[lou]

Not sure if it's true, but this article mentions that the Marlins could potentially be up for sale soon.



https://www.latimes.com/sports/angel...selling-angels


We need a Cohen-type owner that's willing to eat losses and spend a ton and give people a reason to come out to the park. Attendance will follow that investment (and hopefully associated on-field success), which is something that Sherman & Co failed to realize, and/or can't do.

We all know the only reason Sherman got the team was because of the Jeter association. Otherwise he wouldn't have been in contention.

Don't talk so dirty here. It's a message board.

We can dream.

[lou]

poteet needed tommy john and will be out most if not all of this year. I think the way that would work would be that they would have to carry him on the 40 man throughout the offseason and then put him on the 60 day DL at the start of spring training but im not positive.

Holloway is the righty tanner scott with worse stuff. that guy had no idea where the ball was going when it left his hand. I never got the buzz for him as he was coming up through the minors. He had 0 control.

Neidert felt like he never got a great shot. He never really struck any guys out at the major league level with just 28 k's in 49 innings, but he was never really given an extended look. It felt like he was a guy who should have gotten a bigger look out of the bullpen to see if he could be another one of those guys who couldnt cut it as a 6 inning starter but whose stuff played up out of the bullpen. Given some of the other guys we kept like tommy nance, it felt like neidert should have stuck around.

You are correct on what they'd have to do with Poteet - so it would have been carrying 3 of them (Meyer and Bender) to move over in spring training. They opted for Hunter Brazoban which I am still confused about.

I'd have kept Nance over Neidert though, but then we get back to Brazoban and move to Villalobos/Soriano who were very unlikely to be Rule V selections and lost outright, etc. Seems like there was some room here. Poteet looked pretty good.

[Todd]

Not sure if it's true, but this article mentions that the Marlins could potentially be up for sale soon.



https://www.latimes.com/sports/angel...selling-angels


We need a Cohen-type owner that's willing to eat losses and spend a ton and give people a reason to come out to the park. Attendance will follow that investment (and hopefully associated on-field success), which is something that Sherman & Co failed to realize, and/or can't do.

We all know the only reason Sherman got the team was because of the Jeter association. Otherwise he wouldn't have been in contention.

If the Marlins get a buyer, I want one that also buys out the debt from the ballpark from the government and owns the park outright. That would invalidate the terms around the team name which was part of that aggreement. They could go back to being the Florida Marlins and the 1998 to 2011 unis.