2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

And he'll be right as it's an overpay, but we can hate it and like Arraez.

Getting Profar, moving Wendle for help elsewhere, and getting another OF will be very helpful. I can't believe they moved Salas here and didn't get something else.

Salas isn’t that valuable. He’s a nice prospect, he’s not consensus top 100, and he’s a teenager in a ball. There’s a better chance he never reaches the majors than there is he becomes an impact major leaguer. He’s about right to get extra year of control

[Namaste]

Guys, can we really be annoyed at the Marlins for not prospect hugging and overpaying with a prospect?? We need someone ANYONE that can hit!

Is this really me and fish16 vs everyone else on this one??

[lou]

Salas isn’t that valuable. He’s a nice prospect, he’s not consensus top 100, and he’s a teenager in a ball. There’s a better chance he never reaches the majors than there is he becomes an impact major leaguer. He’s about right to get extra year of control

Salas is definitely valuable, so this is just a revisionist history because you like Arraez.

I will say, let them announce the 5/$55+option or 6/$75 extension and this does make more sense as the surplus value of including a real premium prospect makes more sense if you get those free agency years. That would fill the gap so to speak where I will care much less. Basically, be the Braves as you say. This is a Sean Murphy extension moment for sure. Hopefully this was pre-negotiated as to why the Marlins would do such an overpay here.

[Nick]

Prospect capital is something we're going to need in any potential Reynolds deal. As sad as the bunch is, he was our #1 hitting prospect. #3 prospect on FanGraphs. When you don't have money, prospects are your money if you're looking to win.

[Nick]

Does Rogers, Fulton, Meyer and Bleday get a Reynolds deal done? I'm skeptical, and if they're asking for more than that. I think it gets real tough now.

[lou]

Guys, can we really be annoyed at the Marlins for not prospect hugging and overpaying with a prospect?? We need someone ANYONE that can hit!

Is this really me and fish16 vs everyone else on this one??

They don't get points for being cheap in free agency and not signing anyone besides Segura when multiple awesome options were available. Let's not be gaslighted into them doing a good job just because Arraez is an undeniable bat upgrade and we want something, anything - this cost them a lot so I do think a critique is warranted.

But as said, the extension would cure all sins here in a vacuum. Getting this guy on 5 year + option and we can have the unison fist pumps.

I'd try and sign Wacha next here, and then move the earth and stars for Reynolds/Bednar, based on a Rogers/Luzardo/Cabrera and Meyer package. Go for it.

[lou]

Does Rogers, Fulton, Meyer and Bleday get a Reynolds deal done? I'm skeptical, and if they're asking for more than that. I think it gets real tough now.

I think they'd want Rogers, Meyer, and Fulton/Watson/Cappe, and then a really good 4th thing - Miller? Comp Pick? Lewis? Groshans? Then a throw-in, which might be Bleday TBH. I'd make it worth their while and get Bednar. Blow it out for them. Go for it. Sell out and your MLB squad is so club controlled you can just rebuild the farm by not drawing from it.

[Nick]

Dealing Luzardo or Cabrera in a Reynolds deal would be a tough pill to swallow for me.

[fish16]

Salas is definitely valuable, so this is just a revisionist history because you like Arraez.

I will say, let them announce the 5/$55+option or 6/$75 extension and this does make more sense as the surplus value of including a real premium prospect makes more sense if you get those free agency years. That would fill the gap so to speak where I will care much less. Basically, be the Braves as you say. This is a Sean Murphy extension moment for sure. Hopefully this was pre-negotiated as to why the Marlins would do such an overpay here.

It’s not revisionist history. He’s a nice prospect, he’s not an elite prospect, and he’s a teenager 2 full years from being in the big leagues at best. Like I said, at this point it’s more likely he never plays in the majors than it is he becomes an above average regular.. In the context of where this team is right now, it’s the right move. Also no need to extend him currently. Extend jazz and the young pitchers early. Play out Arraez for a year

[fish16]

Dealing Luzardo or Cabrera in a Reynolds deal would be a tough pill to swallow for me.

Agreed. It’s rogers and prospects or no deal. Luzardo and Cabrera are guys you sign long term right now to me

[lou]

It’s not revisionist history. He’s a nice prospect, he’s not an elite prospect, and he’s a teenager 2 full years from being in the big leagues at best. Like I said, at this point it’s more likely he never plays in the majors than it is he becomes an above average regular.. In the context of where this team is right now, it’s the right move. Also no need to extend him currently. Extend jazz and the young pitchers early. Play out Arraez for a year

Arraez is *the best* guy to extend in the organization. And frankly, it's not close.

[fish16]

Arraez is *the best* guy to extend in the organization. And frankly, it's not close.

That would be jazz. Also, Arraez has bad knees, wait to see how he plays out. Sign the young guys before they get too expensive

[sports24/7]

Guys, can we really be annoyed at the Marlins for not prospect hugging and overpaying with a prospect?? We need someone ANYONE that can hit!

Is this really me and fish16 vs everyone else on this one??

I see it two ways. On one hand, it feels like Ng got squeezed here for a good player, but one that is somewhat one-dimensional. You didn't give up two of your most premium prospects, but you gave up two bats with pretty big upside in a system without many high upside bats. You also still have a big hole in CF.

On the other hand, you can only make the deals that are out there, and they badly needed to trade a pitcher for a bat. I didn't like that they couldn't pull the trigger last offseason because they were hording prospects, or that they couldn't get a Pablo trade done at the deadline. Well, this deal bucks both of those. While it appeared that Pablo's value should have been higher, I think this proves it just wasn't as high as people thought. If they could have gotten more for him, they would have.

So now the question is what's next. I think it would go a long way towards building trust in the organization if they extend him. But also, this cannot be the only move they make for a bat. Your lineup still isn't good enough unless you get huge bounce back seasons from Garcia and Soler, while also seeing continued development and a healthy season from Jazz. So what are you going to do for that CF bat? Can you land Reynolds without giving up someone from your current rotation, because if you have to trade another starter, you might be ok, but also are playing with fire. If the ask on Reynolds continues to be too high, where else do you go for a CF?

EDIT: Also, while it's the Marlins so we all know he'll probably turn into a .250 hitter, logic would tell you the spacious outfield in Miami should actually help him.

[sports24/7]

Whoa! Ng says Jazz is being moved to CF. That makes the many IF moves make some more sense, but also probably means they're done, which is upsetting.

[Lee Stone]

Shit trade from a Marlins perspective. Could have kept Wiiiians Astudillo and called it good.