2022-2023 Offseason Thread

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he's literally one of the best, most dominant, and most consistent closers for 11 consecutive years coming off a single down year in the most pressurized place to play in baseball. for 3.75 million for a bounceback he would have been a great investment. We're paying bleier similar money. Chapman's worst year last year was similar to tanner scott's numbers last year. IDC if it's him or another guy still available, but if they dont sign any of the remaining guys, they deserve all the 1 run losses and blown leads that will inevitably follow.

In his last 2 seasons, he’s had a 6.07 BB/9 and a 6.94 BB/9

He’s complete garbage and not the band aid that our bullpen needs

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In his last 2 seasons, he’s had a 6.07 BB/9 and a 6.94 BB/9
He’s complete garbage and not the band aid that our bullpen needs

Tanner scott the last two years BB/9- 6.17, and 6.61.

You understand even his 2021 would be the 2nd best reliever on our team last year correct? Im not saying hes been great the last two years, but he was good in 2021, bad last year in a much different situation, and he is apparently in great shape now, and its not hyperbole to say that there could not be more different situations than being the closer of the yankees and being the closer of the marlins. He is infinitely better of an option than the terrible tanner scott, who shouldnt be on the team. He's been a dominant closer for 11 years, but youre basing an evaluation based off 36 innings last year. Every other year from 2021 and previous, his XFIP was less than 3.47 for 11 consecutive years. And thats on the high end. Other than that 3.47 in 2011, and the horrific god forbid 3.11 in 2021 and 3.24 in 2017, his high for a period of 8 years was 2.86. for 3.75 million for a year, he would have been our best closing option since maybe aj ramos or Steve cishek?

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Tanner scott the last two years BB/9- 6.17, and 6.61.

What does Tanner Scott have to do with me being happy we didn’t sign Chapman?

Tanner Scott is COMPLETE GARBAGE. The worst closers are closers with high BB rates. The Marlins would be much better off without Scott and Chapman. Chapman has walked a ton of guys his last 2 seasons. If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

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What does Tanner Scott have to do with me being happy we didn’t sign Chapman?

Tanner Scott is COMPLETE GARBAGE. The worst closers are closers with high BB rates. The Marlins would be much better off without Scott and Chapman. Chapman has walked a ton of guys his last 2 seasons. If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

he's always walked more guys than he should. He makes up for it by having one of the highest k rates ever. His batting average against last year was still .188. The only people ln our entire roster who had a lower BAA were okert and cabrera. For 3.75 million and 1 year on a bounce back hope, he would have been the best option on the board as a potential closer. instead, theyre not going to sign anyone and try dylan floro or scott at closer yet again and be surprised that their bullpen is not trustworthy.

[lou]

What does Tanner Scott have to do with me being happy we didn’t sign Chapman?

Tanner Scott is COMPLETE GARBAGE. The worst closers are closers with high BB rates. The Marlins would be much better off without Scott and Chapman. Chapman has walked a ton of guys his last 2 seasons. If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

Can't agree here on Scott. Scott is exactly the guy you bet on - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb. Everything is off the charts besides the walks. He's one of the best 25 relievers in baseball if he gets -any- control. Of course, that may be difficult to project but he's exactly the kind of guy you have in the middle/back of pen and hope for the big year where he has a BB rate that starts with a "3." Relievers are volatile, etc. So as for Chapman, he's the same boat. He still has elite rates/fastball, maybe some minor pitch mix/Stallings calling-defense would have fixed him. I'd take bets on guys like these all days as every 5th one you hit on makes it worth it. Churn them all.

But big picture, Chapman doesnt make sense unless they trade Scott/Bleier in a deal for bats. They have 3 good enough lefties and presently, Garrett is in the bullpen also so that's 4. That's a really really good lefty depth chart with huge potential. Okert is also a peripherals darling (same as Scott, less walks and he becomes borderline elite), and Bleier is strange with how no one can barrel him/no walks/good chase rates, and somehow his funk makes it work. He's unspectacularly fine as a third lefty.


TBH it would be nice if they just signed Profar at this point, did a major prospect trade or two and got some bats (Meyer/Salas has to get something in one move, and can dip into Berry/Watson/Cappe and Eder/Fulton for a second one?), and keep all the pitching (and of course Eury). This is a winning staff if they can get any offense and no one is a FA as Cueto and Bleier have options (and the Marlins could then trade 2 pitchers post 2023 as Eury and Bender would be coming for spots at minimum). This is the kind of bullpen Scott should be in, he'd be at best the 4th option and could get demoted to 6th quickly.

Sandy, Pablo, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers
Cabrera, Floro, Chargois, Enright
Garrett, Scott, Okert, Bleier

It's the continued comment, they have so much going for them why are they so passive/stupid/annoying and all roads lead to Bruce not letting them do anything major. That's a championship level staff IMO combined with a bottom 10 offense at a bottom 8 payroll.

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Can't agree here on Scott. Scott is exactly the guy you bet on - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb. Everything is off the charts besides the walks. He's one of the best 25 relievers in baseball if he gets -any- control. Of course, that may be difficult to project but he's exactly the kind of guy you have in the middle/back of pen and hope for the big year where he has a BB rate that starts with a "3." Relievers are volatile, etc. So as for Chapman, he's the same boat. He still has elite rates/fastball, maybe some minor pitch mix/Stallings calling-defense would have fixed him. I'd take bets on guys like these all days as every 5th one you hit on makes it worth it. Churn them all.

But big picture, Chapman doesnt make sense unless they trade Scott/Bleier in a deal for bats. They have 3 good enough lefties and presently, Garrett is in the bullpen also so that's 4. That's a really really good lefty depth chart with huge potential. Okert is also a peripherals darling (same as Scott, less walks and he becomes borderline elite), and Bleier is strange with how no one can barrel him/no walks/good chase rates, and somehow his funk makes it work. He's unspectacularly fine as a third lefty.


TBH it would be nice if they just signed Profar at this point, did a major prospect trade or two and got some bats (Meyer/Salas has to get something in one move, and can dip into Berry/Watson/Cappe and Eder/Fulton for a second one?), and keep all the pitching (and of course Eury). This is a winning staff if they can get any offense and no one is a FA as Cueto and Bleier have options (and the Marlins could then trade 2 pitchers post 2023 as Eury and Bender would be coming for spots at minimum). This is the kind of bullpen Scott should be in, he'd be at best the 4th option and could get demoted to 6th quickly.

Sandy, Pablo, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers
Cabrera, Floro, Chargois, Enright
Garrett, Scott, Okert, Bleier

It's the continued comment, they have so much going for them why are they so passive/stupid/annoying and all roads lead to Bruce not letting them do anything major. That's a championship level staff IMO combined with a bottom 10 offense at a bottom 8 payroll.

I think you worry to much about whether a guy throws righty or lefty vs whether they are actually effective against righties and/or lefties. If a guy like Chapman can get both righties and lefties out, who gives a shit what side he throws from?

[Nick]

God, this thread is depressing.

[lou]

I think you worry to much about whether a guy throws righty or lefty vs whether they are actually effective against righties and/or lefties. If a guy like Chapman can get both righties and lefties out, who gives a shit what side he throws from?

Because other teams can take advantage of that. It would be mind blowing to have a 5 lefty bullpen when the league is predominantly right handed.

[lou]

God, this thread is depressing.

Sure is.

But Meyer, Eder, and Sixto rehabs going well?????? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...r-sanchez.html

[Namaste]

I suspect there won’t be much love on this forum for Tanner Scott during the season but I hope I’m wrong.

[rmc523]

God, this thread is depressing.

Which part? The having to remake the entire lineup without signing a premiere "that guy" guy? Or the part where we're arguing over the table scraps that are left on the market, and still having the same positional debates as last year (CF namely)?

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I suspect there won’t be much love on this forum for Tanner Scott during the season but I hope I’m wrong.

That's the thing with relievers. Everybody remembers the one spectacular blow up and if there are 12 boring scoreless innings in between, no one remembers. Scott has elite traits. He has Billy Wagner upside even if unlikely. I'm not betting that happens, but especially this team has to bet on guys like that just figuring out how to cut the walks and hit their 90th percentile projection.

That said, he is the 4th/5th option on a good team so they have some work to do.

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Because other teams can take advantage of that. It would be mind blowing to have a 5 lefty bullpen when the league is predominantly right handed.

If they are effective against each side like Chapman who gives a fuck. It’s not 5 Loogys

[emkayseven]

WE GOT ARRAEZ FOR LOPEZ

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Pablo for Arraez just happened. More players too. Great fucking deal