2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Namaste]

Their allegations are both bad but much different.

Really? How so?

[lou]

All 3 of them can play the field. Cooper plays first and can play outfield, soler can play 2 of spots, gurriel can play first

You know very well how bad those guys are in the field and while you can masquerade Cooper over at 1B 100+ games, that's about it. For a team so concerned about defense, this frankly would be insane to go triple DH again and forsake OF defense.

They'd have to do this.

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper, Gurriel
Jazz, Berti
Wendle
Segura, ________
DLC
Sanchez
Garcia
Soler

It's basically Groshans makes the team and the backup OF are Berti and Soler. Or maybe they'd sign Profar here.

The net-result of Gurriel is a lame 4th OF or no 5th IF option (if they opted for say Bleday here). Each of those are an issue that shouldn't be a problem opening day versus having these stick-only players (but I guess it worked for Philly?).


This would work for me if its Profar and Reynolds over Sanchez. They'd effectively have Reynolds/Garcia/Soler as every day players and they said they want DLC 500+ PA, so we're talking two starts a week for a backup OF and we can live with that with Berti/Soler/Profar sort of thing. It's still not great and minimal effort here would have produced a better result. Like, just keeping Anderson TBH.

[fish16]

Vargas? Is that an autocorrect for Watson?

We have to put some weight on this as a long-standing major scouting source, but I find it hard to believe any other talent evaluator is going to put Berry that low. Or maybe this is a huge compliment to Amaya and that is a real steal. Seems like a knee jerk SSS reaction here, and he wasn't even that bad in 2022. I also think it's puzzling Sixto is 6th, but maybe they believe he will one day be healthy.

I wouldn't get too worked up about this one yet.

Vargas is some 17 year old

[sports24/7]

Their allegations are both bad but much different. I’m fine with Chapman and apparently we just made a stronger second offer to him and might be signing him soon. I think that’s as good of an option as we will be able to sign at closer

They're different, but both horrible. I'm not sure choking your wife, and firing a gun 8 times with the intention of intimidating her should be any more acceptable than sexual assault.

[fish16]

Really? How so?

Bauer serially beat the shit out of women during sex. Chapman has a single incident going on 7 years ago and was never charged because the woman making the claims didn’t cooperate. Both are terrible, but to act like they are similar is not accurate. He also served a suspension for is 6 years ago and hasn’t had any incidents similar since

Chapman was suspended 30 games, Bauer was initially suspended for like 2 full years

[lou]

Vargas is some 17 year old

I think I found him - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ma...ition=2B/3B/SS

This seems like a stretch to put him that high when MLB pipeline isn't even ranking him, so this kid is amazing or BP must be super low on the farm. Can't see how Watson and Berry are behind this guy with their draft pedigree. Will be interested in seeing the larger write ups and especially the FG deep dive.

[Nick]

I think I found him - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ma...ition=2B/3B/SS

This seems like a stretch to put him that high when MLB pipeline isn't even ranking him, so this kid is amazing or BP must be super low on the farm. Can't see how Watson and Berry are behind this guy with their draft pedigree. Will be interested in seeing the larger write ups and especially the FG deep dive.

I'll be looking forward to that in July.

[rmc523]

Their allegations are both bad but much different. I’m fine with Chapman and apparently we just made a stronger second offer to him and might be signing him soon. I think that’s as good of an option as we will be able to sign at closer

Where are you seeing this? Other reports have said we haven't given a single offer, let alone 2.

[lou]

I'll be looking forward to that in July.

I almost made an "in June" joke here, but I think you're right. Rimshot.

[lou]

Where are you seeing this? Other reports have said we haven't given a single offer, let alone 2.

Rotoworld has a news blurb he threw for them today - https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/baseba...?category=news

I wouldn't be surprised if he has a low-ball offer or two from the Marlins.


It's going to be lefty-palooza with Luzardo, Rogers, Garrett, Chapman, Scott, Okert, Bleier, and maybe Castano (OOO). Has any staff gone 5 right handers (Sandy, Cueto, Cabrera, Floro, Chargois) / 8 lefties? That would be something.

[fish16]

Where are you seeing this? Other reports have said we haven't given a single offer, let alone 2.

Cuban reporter for a Spanish website says we have made an offer, as have padres and royals. He’s apparently still throwing gas over 100 too

[lou]

MLBTR says they are still in on Profar. And that if the Rangers (other interested team) signed him they are really pushing luxury tax.

Quite frankly, that makes sense if he'll take a reasonable 2 year deal.

If Pablo/Scott also turn into Arraez/Kepler, and they sign Reyes and Chapman.... they could be doing this:


2023

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper
Arraez
Jazz, Wendle
Segura, Berti
Profar, DLC
Kepler
Garcia
Soler

Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Cabrera
Floro, Reyes, Chargois, Enright
Chapman, Garrett, Okert, Bleier


2024 (anticipating a Soler opt-out)

Fortes, _______
_______
Arraez, Profar
Jazz
Segura, Groshans/Edwards/Amaya
Kepler, DLC
______
Garcia, ______

Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Eury/Cabrera
Meyer, Bender, Sixto, Eury/Cabrera, Enright
Garrett, Okert, Eder

And Profar could just be an OF here if two of Groshans/Edwards/Amaya work out and there is always Sanchez/Bleday/Jerar/Burdick if someone is good. And since Arraez can play 1B even if he would be better at 2B (sigh), all of those blank lines may be figured out besides another catcher internally taking into account some position flexibility all around.



I think we all can point out here the missing piece is Reynolds/Nimmo/Correa/etc., but this is a pretty cohesive, high potential depth chart and they would have done it just moving Pablo so far. It opens up a 2024 pitching trade again, as Fulton is not listed and there might be 4-5 SP in the bullpen here.


More food for though, but Profar is interesting if he's going to play as a steady 1.5+ WAR guy with a little upside. They key is still at least Arraez/Royce from Minnesota and tag along Kepler.

[fish16]

MLBTR says they are still in on Profar. And that if the Rangers (other interested team) signed him they are really pushing luxury tax.

Quite frankly, that makes sense if he'll take a reasonable 2 year deal.

If Pablo/Scott also turn into Arraez/Kepler, and they sign Reyes and Chapman.... they could be doing this:


2023

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper
Arraez
Jazz, Wendle
Segura, Berti
Profar, DLC
Kepler
Garcia
Soler

Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Cabrera
Floro, Reyes, Chargois, Enright
Chapman, Garrett, Okert, Bleier


2024 (anticipating a Soler opt-out)

Fortes, _______
_______
Arraez, Profar
Jazz
Segura, Groshans/Edwards/Amaya
Kepler, DLC
______
Garcia, ______

Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Eury/Cabrera
Meyer, Bender, Sixto, Eury/Cabrera, Enright
Garrett, Okert, Eder

And Profar could just be an OF here if two of Groshans/Edwards/Amaya work out and there is always Sanchez/Bleday/Jerar/Burdick if someone is good. And since Arraez can play 1B even if he would be better at 2B (sigh), all of those blank lines may be figured out besides another catcher internally taking into account some position flexibility all around.



I think we all can point out here the missing piece is Reynolds/Nimmo/Correa/etc., but this is a pretty cohesive, high potential depth chart and they would have done it just moving Pablo so far. It opens up a 2024 pitching trade again, as Fulton is not listed and there might be 4-5 SP in the bullpen here.


More food for though, but Profar is interesting if he's going to play as a steady 1.5+ WAR guy with a little upside. They key is still at least Arraez/Royce from Minnesota and tag along Kepler.

Id rather move Coop, play arraez at 1b, profar at SS, Wendle becomes super utility or trade bait, add Kepler to the Arraez/Pablo deal, then empty the clip for Reynolds. Im done with Coop, he's far too mediocre to put up with the fact that he cant be counted on to stay healthy.

Say it's Lopez, young bullpen arm, and an insignificant prospect for Arraez and Kepler. Sign Profar. Trade Rogers + Eder + Salas + whatever for Reynolds. Sign Chapman.


C- Fortes
1b- Arraez
2b- Jazz
SS- Profar
3b- Segura
LF- Reynolds
CF- Kepler
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Bench- Stallings, Berti, Wendle, DLC, Sanchez/Bleday?

SP- Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett, and who knows with Sixto, then you have Eury, Meyer next year, and Fulton next year as well.

RP- Chapman, Floro, Chargois, Enright, Scott, Okert, and I guess Bleier?

That's 26. Im sure im forgetting someone, but that lineup adds power with Reynolds and Kepler plus likely bouncebacks or at least regressions of Garcia and Soler, you add a shit ton more contact and average in Segura, Arraez, and Profar, and you ideally get Jazz back for a year.

That's a playoff team.

[Lee Stone]

That's a playoff team?

In the International League maybe.

[fish16]

That's a playoff team?

In the International League maybe.

It’s 5 major lineup upgrades, a healthy season from jazz, and obvious bounce backs from soler and Garcia without losing the great rotation and improving the bullpen. It’s a playoff contender. But you’d need to see 5 games of qualify play before anointing the team as the best team ever. The only missing piece is ben Meyer