2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

being able to write a guy on the roster next to a position next year doesn't make those impact pieces or impactful bats. They don't have impactful bats at 1b, SS, 3b, and all 3 outfield spots are open, and Cooper is who he is, but he's not any kind of impactful legit bat. Ive never denied we don't have options at those positions, I'm saying they arent impactful options. We need a huge influx of hitting talent at every position except 2b and maybe catcher, though even that seems premature with Fortes, though he's definitely earned the benefit of the doubt for next year given the other gaping holes throughout the lineup.

Just want to give you a hypothetical here of "impact." I also made sure this is good with Lee's trade simulator (ha).


Pablo/Anderson/Sanchez/Throw in arm -- > Rosario, Nolan Jones, and Josh Naylor. Rosario is controlled 1 year, so they turn him into a top end SP and give up Jones. Naylor isn't that valuable, and they get more OF help from Miami to replace them anyways. Maybe even Okert is thrown in here. They have plenty of MI options to handle this including a top 40 prospect ready next year. Marlins sign Rosario for years.

Salas/Lewis/Fulton/Burdick -- > Laureano, Blackburn, Puk, throw-in. Oakland doesn't need these guys. Blackburn was great early on and replaces Pablo's innings, and Laureano is good enough and more than a rental. Puk is good with control.

Cooper - > RHP reliever

Rojas -> RHP reliever

Floro -> Prospects

Sign Edwin Diaz for $15+m a year for 3-4 < --- Impact


This team is $90m (*edited a I didn't realize Naylor was in arbitration already. Can't believe he has been around that long)

Fortes, Stallings
Jones, Naylor
Jazz
Rosario, Wendle
Berti, Williams
Bleday
Laureano
Garcia
Soler

Sandy, Cabrera, Blackburn
Rogers, Garrett, Luzardo
E. Diaz, ___, _____
Scott, Puk, Okert, Bleier

The RHP reliever field is trade returns Cooper/Rojas, Neidert, Nance, Sixto, Soriano, and Rule V/camp arm picks. It's a lefty heavy bullpen, but who cares. Maybe you move one for a comparable right hander here. Or keep Floro and go to $94m. Or defer Edwin money and be under $94m.

40 man bats - Henry, Groshans, Jerar < -- Groshans most important here as 3B is effectively cleared out for him, but Wendle/Berti/Williams good enough until Super2
Future impact - Eury and Eder god willingly


Impact?

No major bats obtained, just a bunch of solid dudes across the board (Rosario and Jones have big upside though, as well as Laureano to an extent), a solid middle rotation arm, and impact reliever.

This works for me. This is the kind of offseason-Pablo move that makes sense IMO. Signing closers goes against everything I think of for a small market team, but every other spot on the team is set up pretty solid so F it. Diaz is a 2+ WAR consistent reliever if not more and we never have to hear about the 9th inning again.

[Lee Stone]

Sure looks like an awful team to me. It's painful to me that the big five of Bleday, Burdick, Encarnacion, J Sanchez and L Diaz all appear to be busts at worst and well below average players at best.

[Nick]

If you're looking to win 82 games, it's a great team.

[lou]

If you're looking to win 82 games, it's a great team.

40+ WAR projection easily, what more do you think they can do absent Bruce spending money?

[lou]

Also good news, Marlins will play less games against Mets/Phillies/Braves - https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...son-first-2023

13 game division schedules, play everyone else in baseball at least once

[lou]

Sure looks like an awful team to me. It's painful to me that the big five of Bleday, Burdick, Encarnacion, J Sanchez and L Diaz all appear to be busts at worst and well below average players at best.

We're heading in the right direction if you don't like it.

And what's wrong with Bleday having a .785 OPS versus RHP his first 86 PA? I mean, thats encouraging. I'd only say Lewin is not going to make it, the others are still TBD and we'll likely know this time next year.

I think Bleday is going to be "fine" and just not hit lefties, not sure about the rest FWIW. Doesn't match his draft pedigree, but a strong side platoon bat cheap for 5 years would be pretty good.

[Namaste]

Way too early to say Bleday’s ceiling is a below average player.

[fish16]

finally we DFA aguilar about 10 months too late.

[Erick]

I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but if this team trades Sandy, I’d be done with them.

Doesn’t seem to be a part of the team’s plan thankfully, but I’ve already seen some fans and local reporters like Craig Mish suggest it would be a reasonable idea.

[lou]

I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before, but if this team trades Sandy, I’d be done with them.

Doesn’t seem to be a part of the team’s plan thankfully, but I’ve already seen some fans and local reporters like Craig Mish suggest it would be a reasonable idea.

I haven't seen anyone legitimate mention that as a reasonable idea. Only frustrated fans.

They need a SS, CF, RHP bullpen arm (and a good one), another solid RHP relief arm (or keep Floro), and an upgrade to Cooper if available and worth it versus just paying him $4+m next year in arbitration. It's frankly not a long list and they will be pretty good if this batch of guys projects for 7+ WAR. Yes I know that is a lot of production, but they'd be at $68.5 million and needing a 1B/SS/CF/RHP/RHP or $75m needing a SS/CF/RHP (and then probably only needing 5+ WAR). That is a low payroll and they have trade assets. Frankly, they should be shooting for 12+ WAR here with that low of a payroll, but let's be realistic that they are shooting for the bare minimum everything must go right projection.

Bruce has gotta spend on someone. They gotta trade Salas/Cappe as the centerpiece, and attach something like Eder/Fulton and I. Lewis for a club controlled longterm guy at CF, or move Eury outright for something nuts like Corbin Carroll. And then get creative with a potential Pablo trade to fill SS/1B and then sign 200+ free agent innings, OR keep Pablo and get real creative for 1B/SS.

No need to trade Sandy or even think about it. He is a solution to the problem. Now it's up to Bruce to get him help.

[Nick]

Nasim Nunez's numbers are absolutely fascinating to me. In AA now, .390 OBP between High-A and AA despite only a .250 average. 63-76 in stolen bases. Guys are just going to throw him strikes at higher levels to curtail the OBP, well it's not happening at AA so far. Supposed to be the best defensive player in the system.

[Nick]

Just for fun, quick calculation of Nunez's OPS this year accounting for Stolen Bases. So SLG (TB+SB-CS)/AB, and OBP (# of times on-base - CS)/PA is .817. (.362 OBP + .455 SLG)

[Lee Stone]

Nunez should be spending September on the field for the Marlins and at the top of the order. At the very least, he would provide an injection of energy.

Can't think of any reason to waste playing time on Rojas (or Cooper or Soler or Garcia and so forth).

[Nick]

Nunez should be spending September on the field for the Marlins and at the top of the order. At the very least, he would provide an injection of energy.

Can't think of any reason to waste playing time on Rojas (or Cooper or Soler or Garcia and so forth).

He's got less than 100 PAs at AA, let's slow down.

Also, all 4 of those guys you mentioned will be on the team next year.

[Lee Stone]

He's got less than 100 PAs at AA, let's slow down.

Also, all 4 of those guys you mentioned will be on the team next year.

Which makes me want to cry.

Nunez calling cards are defense at SS, speed, and willingness to take balls and swing at strikes. All three of those qualities should play just fine in the majors.