Selling Time: Marlins Trade Deadline Discussion

[Namaste]

Time to sell, boys.

Finishing in 4th instead of last is for pussies.

2014. End it in a pile.

[Erick]

^I think it's funny that I was a guy who's never seen tits yesterday for believing the same things you're now saying today.

Are we buyers again if we take the series in Pittsburgh?

[Bobbob1313]

I believe it was felt tits.

[TheMendozaLine]

They make tits out of felt?

[Bobbob1313]

You can milk anything with nipples.

[tr305]

Where is this "Todd" guy ?

[Todd]

You can milk anything with nipples.

I have nipples. Can you milk me?

[Namaste]

"Erick". "lol"

[tjfla]

Watch and see what happens with Ryan Dempster

If Detroit does not get Dempster we could be seeing a Infante and either Nolasco or Sanchez to Detroit sooner rather than later. Also if the Dodgers and Boston miss out on arms they have our 2 guys as Plan B

Chicago wants aton for Garza and Grienke looks to be staying with Milw.


Randy Choate looks to be on his way out as well as one of the Top LOOGY's available

[lou]

Nolasco, Infante, and Choate clears about $5.5 million the rest of 2012, and $14.5 (minus minimum players salary as replacements) in 2013. If they add Anibal to that, it goes to around $9.5 million saved in 2012 (and I am including in that figure the signing bonus they won't be paying for a comp draft pick)

[Omar]

I think that's a more than reasonable sell off that doesn't kill the core but also is realistic.

The question is, what's the next move? Do they legitimately go after pitching this offseason? I think everyone is on guard as to how long this newfound foray into spending will last. Was that a one time thing, or are they still willing to put up money for top of the line talent?

[Swifty]

IF we still have money to spend (and that's a big if, we've got attendance issues, renewal fears, etc) you "park" it in one year/short term deals this offseason (unless Greinke hits the market, then blow it out) and save the pitching money for NEXT offseason when the market figures to be much more saturated with difference making guys (Santana, Lincecum jump to mind).

This offseason should be all about adding a bat. If we clear enough cash, and the Cubs want a guy like Hand for Soriano (plus $ eaten) that's a good offseason. If we get Swisher on a 2 or 3 year deal (though I just can't see how the Yankees let him leave, $189 million target payroll in 2014 or not) that's a good offseason.

Pitching's the problem, but there isn't a solution in free agency, and we don't have the pieces to allow us to make a trade for a guy who solves it (well, I guess we do, but trading Yelich/Fernandez doesn't help big picture that much unless it's something LOL worthy like Verlander or Kershaw coming back).

If we have all intentions of spending to keep the core around and seeing if we can win in the JJ/Hanley/Stanton/Buehrle/Reyes years, it's offense in 2013, pitching in 2014 and then some really tough calls (hopefully) in 2015.

[lou]

I think that's a more than reasonable sell off that doesn't kill the core but also is realistic.

The question is, what's the next move? Do they legitimately go after pitching this offseason? I think everyone is on guard as to how long this newfound foray into spending will last. Was that a one time thing, or are they still willing to put up money for top of the line talent?

Assuming they "dump" those guys, I don't think they will spend big (i.e. longterm) in the rotation with not knowing what to do with Johnson post 2013, Fernandez, Conley, James, and Hand all in AA or higher by the all star break 2012 and potentially close to 'ready,' and Heaney probably not that far behind in Jupiter. It's not their MO to spend big on pitchers. I think Buerhle is an exception as they were desperate for a lefty, and he is as rock solid 200 innings as you can find in the last 25 years of baseball. You then trade for all pitching, figure out how to get Turner from Detroit with Infante, C. Lee, and Nolasco in a one stop shopping deal (pay Nolasco's salary this year if you have to just to clear next year), and turn Anibal and Choate into Richards and all other young pitching the Angels have. That would seriously jack the longterm pitching prognosis.

Then with all the cash you saved in 2013 from Nolasco and Infante ($15.5) and other money off books (Oviedo, Mujica, Choate clear about $6 million coming off books which is pretty significant), get Bourn or BJ in free agency next year which is what I think their # 1 will be next offseason assuming this money is cleared both on a baseball "we need a CF" standpoint and showing the fan base "we just sucked in 2012 but we are retooling immediately," sign a starting pitcher to to eat a safe 200 innings out of the # 3/4, give Turner/whatever SP they get a rotation spot, and let Richards/whatever SP they get fend off Sanabia, Hand, and the other prospects. Losers get fed to the bullpen.

Probably easier said then done and a bit rosy, but ditching "Anibal, Nolasco, Infante, Choate, and C. Lee" for all young pitching, limp through 2012, sign BJ/Bourn in a massive deal, sign a #3/4 (Javy?) and some placeholder veterans for LF and bench, and that team is kind of transformed overnight with a ton of young pitching that is going to cost nothing moving forward, and a locked up position core for years of Reyes, BJ/Bourn, Stanton, and Morrison (and Yelich). That's real nice on paper, especially adding Johnson, Hanley, Buerhle, Bonifacio, and you have to imagine Bell can't possibly be this bad again, on top.

Could work. Ticket sales could be scary, but I like to think immediately signing the big CF, legit starter, a bench, and trading for young pitching which is presumably pretty good would give confidence to the average fan. A Stanton buyout wouldn't hurt either.

[Mainge]

Why Grienke?

[lou]

IF we still have money to spend (and that's a big if, we've got attendance issues, renewal fears, etc) you "park" it in one year/short term deals this offseason (unless Greinke hits the market, then blow it out) and save the pitching money for NEXT offseason when the market figures to be much more saturated with difference making guys (Santana, Lincecum jump to mind).

This offseason should be all about adding a bat. If we clear enough cash, and the Cubs want a guy like Hand for Soriano (plus $ eaten) that's a good offseason. If we get Swisher on a 2 or 3 year deal (though I just can't see how the Yankees let him leave, $189 million target payroll in 2014 or not) that's a good offseason.

Pitching's the problem, but there isn't a solution in free agency, and we don't have the pieces to allow us to make a trade for a guy who solves it (well, I guess we do, but trading Yelich/Fernandez doesn't help big picture that much unless it's something LOL worthy like Verlander or Kershaw coming back).

If we have all intentions of spending to keep the core around and seeing if we can win in the JJ/Hanley/Stanton/Buehrle/Reyes years, it's offense in 2013, pitching in 2014 and then some really tough calls (hopefully) in 2015.

Center field is the bat, it's not Soriano or Swisher.

They will have legitimate cash next year if they blow out Nolasco and Infante. Even if they eat the salary this year, just get it off the books for 2013. Some contender will do it once all the trade dominos start falling. More pitching for Anibal, Choate, and C. Lee, good times. I can't see them not getting a legitimate young starting pitcher somewhere among those 5, and if the rest is just moderate relievers and 2013 salary relief, awesome. That's all they need to do.