Selling Time: Marlins Trade Deadline Discussion

[MiamiHomer]

Olt would be cool.

[lilchris11]

The Red Sox were still listening to the Marlins about possible deals involving Hanley Ramirez last night, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports. The Marlins have never been more open to trading Ramirez.

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The Miami Marlins are telling other clubs, “We are open for business.” And already, those clubs are calling Marlins officials, inquiring about trades for specific players.
Among the Marlins drawing interest, according to major-league sources: Third baseman Hanley Ramirez, first baseman Carlos Lee, right-handed starters Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco and left-handed reliever Randy Choate.
The Marlins’ position is clear: They intend to make baseball trades, not simply dump salaries. And the first of their moves came Monday, when they sent right-hander Anibal Sanchez and infielder Omar Infante to the Detroit Tigers for a package headed by right-hander Jacob Turner.
One source says the Marlins will “absolutely try and try hard” to move closer Heath Bell, but the team isn’t optimistic that such a move will happen.
Bell, who has blown six saves and has a 6.05 ERA is in the first year of a three-year, $27 million free-agent contract. Like many of the Marlins' recent signees, his contract is back-loaded. He will earn $9 million in both 2013 and ’14.
-Ken Rosenthal

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[The_Godfather]

If we move Josh Johnson we need to get back a teams top prospect and they have to take Heath Bell along with him.

[MiamiHomer]

That's a pipe dream.

[The_Godfather]

That's a pipe dream.

ehh maybe, but Josh Johnson is an ace making *only* 10 mill per year, they don't come on the market very often.

[MiamiHomer]

He also has a serious injury history. I don't see any way they could package Bell with him in a potential deal w/o the other team demanding they don't have to offer their top prospects in return.

[lilchris11]

Bob Nightengale @BNightengale
The Oakland #Athletics,desperate for infield help,have jumped into trade talks for #Marlins Hanley Ramirez, joining #BlueJays and #RedSox.

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[tr305]

Christmas in July ???

[Swifty]

He also has a serious injury history. I don't see any way they could package Bell with him in a potential deal w/o the other team demanding they don't have to offer their top prospects in return.

If Anibal's a lock for 4/$48 (as most are speculating in the "what will it take to keep him" talk in the national media), JJ'd almost certainly be a 4/$60 lock. He's owed $13.75 mil for 2013 then he's a free-agent. As disappointing as he's been, he's still a retarded bargain, so yes, you absolutely get to do whatever the eff you want to with a JJ trade.

Same goes for Hanley. Someone'd give him $50 million if he were a FA. Acquiring team gets him for $31 mil guaranteed.

What I don't think people are understanding is, even how "disappointing" they are in 2012, they're still bargains. Not the Samson "you should pay US for the pleasure of putting on a Marlins uniform" bargain, but a relative bargain, especially with teams spending like it's 2001 all over again.

[MiamiHomer]

If Anibal's a lock for 4/$48 (as most are speculating in the "what will it take to keep him" talk in the national media), JJ'd almost certainly be a 4/$60 lock. He's owed $13.75 mil for 2013 then he's a free-agent. As disappointing as he's been, he's still a retarded bargain, so yes, you absolutely get to do whatever the eff you want to with a JJ trade.

Same goes for Hanley. Someone'd give him $50 million if he were a FA. Acquiring team gets him for $31 mil guaranteed.

What I don't think people are understanding is, even how "disappointing" they are in 2012, they're still bargains. Not the Samson "you should pay US for the pleasure of putting on a Marlins uniform" bargain, but a relative bargain, especially with teams spending like it's 2001 all over again.

Saying it and it actually happening are two different things. When the consensus between numerous scouts that they see JJ as a #3 starter in his current state doesn't exactly tell me that the Marlins will be about to ask for a king's ransom for him right now, let alone make the other team take on Bell's contract. Maybe they find a team willing to do it, who knows, but I just think that's unrealistic right now.

[lilchris11]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
#BlueJays, #Yankees, #SFGiants, #Indians, #Dbacks, #STLCards among teams that had scouts at #Marlins game last night.

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[lou]

I like the idea of moving Hanley/Nolasco to whoever for a Turner/Fernandez level SP who can play April 2013, and secondary pieces of sooner rather than later young 2B/RP.

Then move C. Lee and Choate for best young sooner than later RP.

That would open up $20-30 to spend on 2013 payroll, team would need only 4 things - starting CF on a 4-5 year deal, # 3 Veteran SP 2-3 year deal, a platoon LF to help Ruggiano/Gaby (lomo would shift to LF during Gaby time), and a starter at 2B/3B, wherever Bonifacio is not. All of that is very feasible, besides the 2B/3B where FA is very shitty, but hey. That's the only "problem" on paper.

They would have Yelich, Brantly/Realmuto, presumably a young 2B, and the boatload of current Fernandez, Conley, C. James, Heaney, etc, pitching in AA or higher minors, which all hypothetically fill spots when they are ready.

They would need only 1 thing on paper, a cornerstone slugging 3B. I have no idea where they would get that, who is available free agency 2014, but assuming all else happens, they have a completely set lineup, tons of rotation candidates, a lot of bullpen arms, and plenty of cash due to the youth turnover.

Makes no sense to trade Johnson or Zambrano. Keep them
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Well, I guess they could also move Johnson for the cornerstone 3B, and then use that payroll coming off books for a pitcher instead.

eh, they have options. I guess it's all talent acquisition end of the day. I think this will be a fast turn around. I like that they said these trades are baseball decisions. The Turner one most certainly was.

[tjfla]

Here u go guys

Hanley- Oak/Toronto
If Oakland decides they wanna spend money,it looks like Hanley might be on his way out west. Oakland prefers Chase Headley however SD wants too much for him. Toronto is also very interested however not sure he can still play SS(which is where they would play him)

JJ-Boston/Texas
Don't laugh but we actually already took a call from Texas on JJ and asked for Mike Olt plus more.We were told HAHAHA. Both are very interested in him however we want a Top prospect in return and teams are offering ALOT less

Choate-Gone to whoever offers best deal
Every contender has called on him and with Dan Jennings waiting in AAA he will be dealt to whatever team offers the best deal

Nolasco-Alot of teams looking
Lots of teams see him as a Plan B-havent heard of 1 team ahead however when it gets closer to the deadline and a team still needs a SP they might look at him.

Bell-Cali teams(LAA,LAD,SF)/Boston
All 4 have asked about him however in just a salary dump. We would get a prospect or 2 in return

Lee-???
This is something I asked about and maybe someone knows,does Carlos have to OK any deal since he has already been traded once this year?

[Miamarlin21]

I believe Lee has a partial no-trade clause.

[The_Godfather]

Bell-Cali teams(LAA,LAD,SF)/Boston
All 4 have asked about him however in just a salary dump. We would get a prospect or 2 in return

Thanks for the info, but I find it hard to believe we could get back a prospect for Bell. I want the Marlins to give up a B-minus level prospect to a team willing to take Bell's contract.