Nacho Continues to Save Season As Marlins Complete Sweep of Phillies, Win 5-2

[Bobbob1313]

"He has a 3.56 ERA overall in his last 20 appearances, going 14 for 14 in save opportunities, with 19 strikeouts and five walks over 17 2/3 innings."

Oh.

You're right then. He's been terrible?

[Erick]

We've lost 1 game because of Heath Bell in the last 2 months.

There's nothing deceiving about that.

In part because he was bailed out by other relievers in a couple of games.
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Oh.

You're right then. He's been terrible?

Did I say that?

[Bobbob1313]

Well, no. But my larger point was that he's been pretty good recently, and then you responded by pointing at that 14/14 in saves is irrelevant, so I'm having trouble figuring out what your larger point is.
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If you're trying to explain to us that the save is a shitty statistic, you are preaching to the choir.

[Swifty]

His recent terrible outing was in a non-save situation. You're all being terrible right now.

[Bobbob1313]

Oh.

[HUGG]

Yeah and every other outing he's had in the last 7 weeks has been scoreless.

So, I would argue the people who are doing the Heath Bell is terrible thing are being terrible by freaking out about 6% of his recent performance.


He's been dominant with 1 bad outing for 7 weeks now.

[Bobbob1313]

So, I would argue the people who are doing the Heath Bell is terrible thing are being terrible by freaking out about 6% of his recent performance.

This is the point. The Heath Bell thing should be over now, but if he allows two runners in his next game we are going to do it again.

[Erick]

Well, no. But my larger point was that he's been pretty good recently, and then you responded by pointing at that 14/14 in saves is irrelevant, so I'm having trouble figuring out what your larger point is.
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If you're trying to explain to us that the save is a shitty statistic, you are preaching to the choir.

If you look at the original post I quoted again, you'll see why I said "deceiving #'s." Those #'s indicate that he's been much better than "pretty good recently." Hence the reason why I used the word deceiving in my response. If anyone else would've responded the way I did, I don't think you would've had much of a problem with it.

[Bobbob1313]

Since his last blown save, he has allowed runs in four of his 24 appearances. He's been pretty great.

[Erick]

Yeah and every other outing he's had in the last 7 weeks has been scoreless.

So, I would argue the people who are doing the Heath Bell is terrible thing are being terrible by freaking out about 6% of his recent performance.


He's been dominant with 1 bad outing for 7 weeks now.

I never said otherwise. Just saying, you took out his bad outing. You also take out 2 games in which he was pulled when you bring up the 14-for-14 #.

That's like mibs saying that Volstad was dominant if you take out the 2 HR's he gave up every game.

If you would've given the #'s bobbob gave, I wouldn't have responded.

[HUGG]

Reliever numbers are naturally deceiving anyway. A reliever can be great in 90% of his outings and look mediocre statistically.

[Erick]

Since his last blown save, he has allowed runs in four of his 24 appearances. He's been pretty great.

But, again, that includes 2 or 3 outings he was pulled with runners on base. If Cishek and Choate allow those runners to score in that series, we're not saying this. I don't see how using the word "deceiving" is wrong to describe the #'s.

He's been good lately, but he's had several bumps in the road over his last 24 appearances.

I think a better representation of his dominance lately would be saying something like: "take out that one bad outing and Heath Bell had a great month of June."

Going back 24 appearances and looking at the #'s isn't completely fair because other relievers were bailing him out, at times, toward the latter part of May.

[Bobbob1313]

Going back 24 appearances and looking at the #'s isn't completely fair because other relievers were bailing him out, at times, toward the latter part of May.

If I'm not mistaken, since his last blown save, he has been pulled with runners on base three times. Two times, runners have scored. I don't think he's exactly been bailed out a bunch of times.
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Just noticed this:

It is kind of interesting that the Marlins (3-13) have a worse record in games decided by 5+ runs than the Padres (6-12), Cubs (7-13), and Twins (5-16), the three teams with a worse Pythag. record.

I'm not sure if it is important or meaningful, but it is interesting to me.

[Omar]

Damn, usually wins don't get this heated

[Bobbob1313]

Wins usually don't have posts ever.