Offense Continues to Be Non-existent; Marlins Lose 4th in a Row Against Mets 5-1

[Swifty]

How is me knowing you aren't a fan of him going to make me understand your theory on him being on the "hot seat" right now? I think it's an asinine comment to believe that's the case. You just said it had nothing to do about how the season has started. So by that you mean that you would still have said the same thing if the team was 13-5?

I'd have fired him years ago.

Since it seems like the theme yesterday was who gets the blame, and I missed most of it, I just wanted to throw that I'd put more blame on Beinfest.

[MiamiHomer]

I put the blame on players performing below their averages which is about as simple as it gets. No need to over think the room here.

[Mainge]

He's failed miserably in the draft, I don't think anyone here will dispute that.
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This isn't close to true. We just figured that out a few months ago

[tr305]

Can't wait until the bats come alive and we start getting shelled.

[Swifty]

This isn't close to true. We just figured that out a few months ago

Maybe I'm really really dumb, but if the lou explanation is what we're going on, a "C+" grade and looking down on teams like the Mets, Rockies, Orioles, White Sox and Padres, while looking up at the Rays, Brewers, Braves, Giants and D-Backs (organizations, that we should call either our equal or inferior in terms of spending going forward) is not where we want to be. Not even close.

[Bobbob1313]

Maybe I'm really really dumb, but if the lou explanation is what we're going on, a "C+" grade and looking down on teams like the Mets, Rockies, Orioles, White Sox and Padres, while looking up at the Rays, Brewers, Braves, Giants and D-Backs (organizations, that we should call either our equal or inferior in terms of spending going forward) is not where we want to be. Not even close.

Is there nothing between "woeful/failing miserably" and "where we want to be"?

Also, those teams ahead of us that you mentioned all pretty much outspent us by pretty significant margins over that time span in the draft.

[Party]

I'm with Swift.

If you're going to be the K-Mart of franchises you have to be very good at something to make up for your weaknesses. Being average in the draft and below average in FA spending is a recipe for disaster.

Is it funny that Beinfest's best team was a roster he was forced into?

[Swifty]

A team with no money HAS to hit in the draft (like Tampa and Arizona).

You can't say "well, we're better than the inept big money guys" while ignoring your true "peers" successes.

[Bobbob1313]

A team with no money HAS to hit in the draft (like Tampa and Arizona).

You can't say "well, we're better than the inept big money guys" while ignoring your true "peers" successes.

Tampa spends a bunch of money in the draft and has drafted significantly higher on average.

[Mainge]

Maybe I'm really really dumb, but if the lou explanation is what we're going on, a "C+" grade and looking down on teams like the Mets, Rockies, Orioles, White Sox and Padres, while looking up at the Rays, Brewers, Braves, Giants and D-Backs (organizations, that we should call either our equal or inferior in terms of spending going forward) is not where we want to be. Not even close.

We spend less money than almost everyone. I'll take average with that fact. That's not close to failing miserably..

Also, those scouts from the Cabrera trade are gone.
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A team with no money HAS to hit in the draft (like Tampa and Arizona).

You can't say "well, we're better than the inept big money guys" while ignoring your true "peers" successes.

You can't say "we failed miserably" while ignoring that we spent no money in that area.

[Swifty]

And when we draft high (Hermida, Allison, Skipworth, Dominguez) we still miss pretty spectacularly.

Beinfest's run 9 drafts. From those 9, we don't have a single first rounder as a starter, the only one on the roster is Coghlan (supplemental 1st). Extend it to the first three rounds and the only draft picks playing roles of consequence are Johnson and Stanton. That's inexcusable.

Take it a step further and the only first rounders still in the organization from that period are Coghlan, West, and the new guys who are still at low levels.

[Erick]

I'm with Swift.

If you're going to be the K-Mart of franchises you have to be very good at something to make up for your weaknesses. Being average in the draft and below average in FA spending is a recipe for disaster.

Is it funny that Beinfest's best team was a roster he was forced into?

How has he been below average in FA spending? I don't really recall a bad FA signing, in large part because we rarely ever take a gamble in free agency. Either way, unless you're basing that on 17 Jose Reyes games and 2 Heath Bell meltdowns, I don't see how that's true at all.

[Bobbob1313]

Here's my issue.

If you think he's done a poor job, fine!

Just stop throwing words like "miserable" and "woeful" around. You can make your point without resorting to hyperbole.

[Mainge]

And when we draft high (Hermida, Allison, Skipworth, Dominguez) we still miss pretty spectacularly.

Beinfest's run 9 drafts. From those 9, we don't have a single first rounder as a starter, the only one on the roster is Coghlan (supplemental 1st). Extend it to the first three rounds and the only draft picks playing roles of consequence are Johnson and Stanton. That's inexcusable.

Take it a step further and the only first rounders still in the organization from that period are Coghlan, West, and the new guys who are still at low levels.

I forgot only those rounds count.

[Party]

Here's my issue.

If you think he's done a poor job, fine!

Just stop throwing words like "miserable" and "woeful" around. You can make your point without resorting to hyperbole.

Thank you person that has not been posting on here for 6 years.