Offense Continues to Be Non-existent; Marlins Lose 4th in a Row Against Mets 5-1

[Swifty]

I forgot only those rounds count.

Well, no, but you can't tell me that Logan in the 22nd is shrewdly manipulating the draft board.

I understand how volatile baseball prospects are, but at the same time, the earlier the pick, the more you have invested (in every sense of the word) in the player/prospect. At some point, you have to be "good" at figuring out what makes a successful prospect.

[Party]

How has he been below average in FA spending? I don't really recall a bad FA signing, in large part because we rarely ever take a gamble in free agency. Either way, unless you're basing that on 17 Jose Reyes games and 2 Heath Bell meltdowns, I don't see how that's true at all.

The organization has not been spending in FA, so your GM needs to be able to make it up drafting and acquiring talent. Not blaming LB for it.

[Mainge]

Well, no, but you can't tell me that Logan in the 22nd is shrewdly manipulating the draft board.

I understand how volatile baseball prospects are, but at the same time, the earlier the pick, the more you have invested (in every sense of the word) in the player/prospect. At some point, you have to be "good" at figuring out what makes a successful prospect.

You can't take credit away from Beinfest for drafting Logan if you're gonna kill him for Maybin/Miller being terrible.

[Party]

Also, in terms of draft picks, we've been a mixed bag over Beinfest's tenure. We've won as much as 91 and lost just as many. It's not like he's being adversely affected by having a decades worth of late first rounders.

[Swifty]

You can't take credit away from Beinfest for drafting Logan if you're gonna kill him for Maybin/Miller being terrible.

OK, I'll bite...why?

[Mainge]

OK, I'll bite...why?

Really?

[Erick]

OK, I'll bite...why?

Because just like it's rather impossible to predict how a 22nd rounder is going to pan out, it was tough to predict that Maybin and Miller would bust (or, actually, just Miller. Maybin was probably poorly evaluated in his time here).

[MiamiHomer]

I'm still trying to figure out why the hell this became a Beinfest discussion. I feel like this has be discussed ad nauseam in the past. Not to mention the current predicament of the team isn't at the fault of him.

[HUGG]

Man, I wish we were 10-7 so we could not be having the same discussion for the 35th time.

Half the playoff teams last year were under .500 after 17 games and all 8 of them had at least one stretch where they went 7-10, 6 of them had worse stretches than that.

Unless you thought this team wasn't good when the season started, you're absolutely reacting to a 7-10 start.

[Bobbob1313]

Also, in terms of draft picks, we've been a mixed bag over Beinfest's tenure. We've won as much as 91 and lost just as many. It's not like he's being adversely affected by having a decades worth of late first rounders.

Well, yeah.

But you can't compare him to the Rays at all then, because it's not like we've been dealing with a decade's worth of last place finishes (before three years ago) either.

[Party]

I'm still trying to figure out why the hell this became a Beinfest discussion. I feel like this has be discussed ad nauseam in the past. Not to mention the current predicament of the team isn't at the fault of him.

That's what usually occurs on message boards.

[Mainge]

Beinfest was lucky that Lomo worked out but not unlucky that two top ten prospects dominated everything but the big leagues. Makes sense.

[Swifty]

Really?

Yes, really. I don't see the relationship.

Logan is a raw prospect who has no professional experience.

Maybin and Miller had professional experience.

It's completely different in terms of evaluation. And that's completely ignoring how much extra is tied to Maybin and Miller, like the Dodgers offer, like the fact that we were trading, arguably, the best hitter in baseball, almost certainly the best young player and almost certainly the best player ever to put on the Marlins' uniform.

[Mainge]

Yeah I'm not going to bother. Beinfest is awful.

[Swifty]

Because just like it's rather impossible to predict how a 22nd rounder is going to pan out, it was tough to predict that Maybin and Miller would bust (or, actually, just Miller. Maybin was probably poorly evaluated in his time here).

So then by that logic, he should never get blamed for any personnel decision regarding a young player based on the "rather impossible" or "tough" to predict standard....?