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[Ramp]

2002-2008 NY Yankees

C - Austin Romine
1B -
2B -
SS -
3B - Brandon Laird
LF - Brett Gardner
CF - Austin Jackson
RF -
DH -
B -

SP - Jeff Karstens, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Dellin Betances
RP - Phil Coke, Tyler Clippard, Mike Dunn, Joba Chamberlain, Mark Melancon, Daniel McCutchen, David Robertson


Stars -
Above Average - Brett Gardner, Austin Jackson (potentially), Ian Kennedy
Solid MLB - Phil Coke, Tyler Clippard, Phil Hughes, Mark Melancon, Joba, David Robertson, Daniel McCutchen, Mike Dunn
Average MLB -
Bench Material - Austin Romine, Brandon Laird

Dellin Betances should be pretty cool

Yanks sure know how to draft pitching and a bullpen... yowza

[lou]

Thanks Ramp. Ongoing stat sheet. Let's put the Marlins at a C and see if things change when boredom ultimately leads to a full list.

Rays A+ (8 above average players, another 6-8 normal MLB players)
Braves A (6 above average players, two of whom relievers, and a dozen normal MLB players)
Giants A (6 above average players, two of whom relievers, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Royals A- (5-6 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Yankees B (3-4 above average players, and a dozen normal MLB Players)
Marlins C (3 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Padres C- (2 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Mets D (1 above average guy, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Cleveland F (6-8 normal MLB players)

[Jay]

Wasn't it fairly common knowledge that he had a drug problem? They figured getting him out of town would get him out of trouble, no?

I went to school for a semester with a few guys who played with him. It was well known of his substance use but I am unsure of whether the opioids were well publicized at that point in time.

[Ramp]

2002-2008 Philadelphia Phillies

C - Travis D'Arnaud
1B -
2B -
SS -
3B -
LF -
CF - Michael Bourn
RF - Domonic Brown
DH -
B -

SP - Cole Hamels, Kyle Kendrick, JA Happ, Kyle Drabek, Vance Worley
RP - Joe Savery, Michael Schwimer


Stars -
Above Average - Cole Hamels
Solid MLB - Michael Bourn
Average MLB - Kyle Kendrick, JA Happ
Bench Material -

Kyle Drabek, Travis D'Arnoud and Domonic Brown have serious potential

[Mainge]

Nitpicky but if Matt Moore, David Price and Hellickson are "stars" than Cole Hamels should be one.

[Ramp]

2002-2008 Boston Red Sox

C - Ryan Lavarnway
1B - Lars Anderson
2B - Dustin Pedroia
SS - Jed Lowrie
3B -
LF - Brandon Moss, Josh Reddick
CF - David Murphy, Jacoby Ellsbury
RF - Matt Murton, Ryan Kalish,
DH -
B -

SP - Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, Mike Bowden, Justin Masterson
RP - Jon Papelbon, Cla Meredith, Daniel Bard,


Stars - Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury
Above Average - Jon Papelbon, Clay Buchholz
Solid MLB - David Murphy, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson
Average MLB - Cla Meredith, Mike Bowden
Bench Material - Craig Hansen, Lars Anderson, Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Matt Murton
Potential - Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Lavarnway

holy fuck... Theo
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Nitpicky but if Matt Moore, David Price and Hellickson are "stars" than Cole Hamels should be one.

yea thats fine... feel like lou is more generous than me though

[HUGG]

2002-2008 Boston Red Sox

C - Ryan Lavarnway
1B - Lars Anderson
2B - Dustin Pedroia
SS - Jed Lowrie
3B -
LF - Brandon Moss, Josh Reddick
CF - David Murphy, Jacoby Ellsbury
RF - Matt Murton, Ryan Kalish,
DH -
B -

SP - Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, Mike Bowden, Justin Masterson
RP - Jon Papelbon, Cla Meredith, Daniel Bard,


Stars - Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury
Above Average - Jon Papelbon, Clay Buchholz
Solid MLB - David Murphy, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson
Average MLB - Cla Meredith, Mike Bowden
Bench Material - Craig Hansen, Lars Anderson, Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Matt Murton
Potential - Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Lavarnway

holy fuck... Theo

Amazing what you can do when you spend a bunch of money in draft & development.

[Ramp]

2002-2008 Los Angeles Dodgers

C - Russell Martin
1B - James Loney
2B - Delwyn Young
SS - Dee Gordon
3B - Blake DeWitt
LF - Jerry Sands
CF - Matt Kemp
RF -
DH -
B -

SP - James McDonald, Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw
RP - Jon Broxton, Cory Wade


Stars - Matt Kemp, Clayton Kershaw
Above Average - Russell Martin, Chad Billingsley
Solid MLB - Jon Broxton, Cory Wade
Average MLB - James Loney, James McDonald
Bench Material - Delwyn Young, Blake DeWitt
Potential - Dee Gordon, Jerry Sands
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2002-2008 Arizona Diamondbacks

C - Chris Snyder
1B - Conor Jackson
2B -
SS - Stephen Drew
3B - Mark Reynolds
LF - Colin Cowgill
CF - Justin Upton
RF - Carlos Quentin
DH -
B -

SP - Ross Ohlendorf, Max Scherzer, Brett Anderson, Jarrod Parker, Barry Enright, Josh Collmenter
RP - Sergio Santos, Lance Cormier, Micah Owings, Clay Zavada, Daniel Schlereth


Stars -
Above Average - Justin Upton (star potential), Brett Anderson, Carlos Quentin
Solid MLB - Conor Jackson, Mark Reynolds (could be higher I guess)
Average MLB - Chris Snyder, Stephen Drew, Max Scherzer, Sergio Santos, Daniel Schlereth
Bench Material - Barry Enright, Josh Collmenter, Lance Cormier, Micah Owings, Clay Zavada, Ross Ohlendorf
Potential - Jarrod Parker, Colin Cowgill
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2002-2008 Baltimore Orioles

C - Matt Wieters
1B -
2B -
SS -
3B -
LF - Nolan Reimold
CF -
RF - Nick Markakis
DH -
B -

SP - John Maine, Brad Bergesen, Jason Berken, Bryan Matusz
RP - Chris Ray


Stars -
Above Average -
Solid MLB - Matt Wieters (plenty of potential), Nick Markakis (is this as good as it gets for him?)
Average MLB - John Maine
Bench Material – Brad Bergesen, Jason Berken, Nolan Reimold, Chris Ray
Potential - Bryan Matusz
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2002-2008 Chicago Cubs

C - Jake Fox
1B - Micah Hoffpauir
2B - Darwin Barney
SS -
3B - Casey McGehee
LF - Tony Campana
CF - Sam Fuld
RF - Tyler Colvin
DH - Josh Harrison
B -

SP - Rich Hill, Randy Wells, Sean Marshall
RP - Jeff Samardzija, James Russell


Stars -
Above Average -
Solid MLB -
Average MLB - Randy Wells, Casey McGehee
Bench Material – Jake Fox, Micah Hoffpauir, Darwin Barney, Sam Fuld, Tyler Colvin
Potential -

yuck
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2002-2008 Chicago White Sox

C -
1B -
2B - Chris Getz, Gordon Beckham
SS -
3B - Josh Fields
LF -
CF - Jeremy Reed
RF - Bryan Anderson, Ryan Sweeney
DH - Brandon Allen
B -

SP - Brandon McCarthy, Gio Gonzalez, Clayton Richard
RP - Royce Ring, Boone Logan


Stars -
Above Average -
Solid MLB - Brandon McCarthy, Gio Gonzalez, Clayton Richard
Average MLB - Boone Logan, Gordon Beckham
Bench Material – Royce Ring, Chris Getz, Jeremy Reed, Bryan Anderson, Ryan Sweeney, Brandon Allen
Potential -
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2002-2008 Cincinnati Reds

C - Devin Mesoraco
1B - Joey Votto
2B -
SS - Paul Janish, Zack Cozart
3B -
LF -
CF - Chris Denorfia, Chris Dickerson
RF - Jay Bruce
DH - Yonder Alonso
B -

SP - Homer Bailey, Travis Wood, Zach Stewart
RP - Ryan Wagner, John Axford


Stars - Joey Votto
Above Average -
Solid MLB - Jay Bruce
Average MLB - Ryan Wagner, Travis Wood (upside), John Axford
Bench Material – Chris Denorfia, Homer Bailey, Paul Janish
Potential - Devin Mesoraco, Zack Cozart, Zach Stewart, Yonder Alonso

[Ramp]

2002-2008 Colorado Rockies

C - Chris Iannetta
1B -
2B - Jeff Baker, Eric Young Jr
SS - Troy Tulowitzki
3B - Ian Stewart
LF - Dexter Fowler
CF - Ryan Spilborghs
RF - Seth Smith
DH - Charlie Blackmon
B -

SP - Jeff Francis, Greg Reynolds, Christian Friedrich
RP -


Stars - Troy Tulowitzki
Above Average -
Solid MLB - Chris Iannetta
Average MLB - Dexter Fowler, Seth Smith, Ryan Spilborghs, Ian Stewart, Jeff Francis
Bench Material – Jeff Baker, Eric Young Jr, Greg Reynolds
Potential - Charlie Blackmon, Christian Friedrich
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2002-2008 Detroit Tigers

C - Alex Avila
1B - Matt Joyce
2B - Will Ryhmes
SS - Scott Sizemore
3B -
LF - Clete Thomas, Casper Wells
CF - Curtis Granderson
RF - Cameron Maybin,
DH - Brennan Boesch
B -

SP - Justin Verlander, Luke French, Andrew Miller, Rick Porcello, Charlie Furbush
RP - Joel Zumaya, Burke Badenhop


Stars - Curtis Granderson, Justin Verlander
Above Average - Alex Avila (being generous here)
Solid MLB - Cameron Maybin, Matt Joyce
Average MLB - Joel Zumaya (higher if not for rock band), Burke Badenhop, Brennan Boesch (upside), Rick Porcello (upside)
Bench Material – Luke French, Clete Thomas, Casper Wells, Will Rhymes, Andrew Miller, Scott Sizemore, Charlie Furbush
Potential -
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2002-2008 Houston Astros

C - JR Towles, Jason Castro
1B -
2B - Ben Zobrist
SS - Tommy Manzella
3B - Chris Johnson
LF -
CF -
RF - Hunter Pence
DH -
B -

SP - Bud Norris, Jordan Lyles
RP -


Stars -
Above Average - Hunter Pence, Ben Zobrist
Solid MLB -
Average MLB -
Bench Material – Bud Norris, Tommy Manzella, Chris Johnson, JR Towles
Potential - Jason Castro, Jordan Lyles
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2002-2008 Kansas City Royals

C -
1B - Kila Ka'aihue, Eric Hosmer
2B - Donnie Murphy, Johnny Giavotella
SS - Mike Aviles
3B - Mike Moustakas
LF - Alex Gordon
CF - Jarrod Dyson
RF -
DH - Billy Butler
B -

SP - Zack Greinke, Billy Buckner, Luke Hochevar, Danny Duffy
RP - JP Howell


Stars -
Above Average - Zack Greinke
Solid MLB - Eric Hosmer (upside), Billy Butler
Average MLB - JP Howell, Mike Aviles, Alex Gordon (upside)
Bench Material – Kila Ka'aihue, Donnie Murphy, Johnny Giavotella, Luke Hochevar (still some upside), Danny Duffy, Billy Buckner
Potential - Mike Moustakas, Jarrod Dyson
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2002-2008 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

C - Bobby Wilson, Hank Conger
1B - Mark Trumbo
2B - Howie Kendrick
SS - Sean Rodriguez
3B - Brandon Wood
LF -
CF - Reggie Willits, Peter Bourjos
RF -
DH -
B -

SP - Joe Saunders, Jered Weaver, Nick Adenhart, Tyler Chatwood
RP - Kevin Jepsen, Fernando Rodriguez, Sean O'Sullivan, Jordan Walden


Stars - Jered Weaver
Above Average - Fernando Rodriguez
Solid MLB - Jordan Walden (upside), Joe Saunders, Mark Trumbo (upside), Howie Kendrick
Average MLB -
Bench Material – Sean Rodriguez, Bobby Wilson, Brandon Wood, Reggie Willits, Peter Bourjos, Nick Adenhart, Kevin Jepsen, Sean O'Sullivan
Potential - Tyler Chatwood, Jordan Walden, Mark Trumbo
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2002-2008 Milwaukee Brewers

C - Jonathan Lucroy
1B - Prince Fielder
2B - Rickie Weeks
SS -
3B - Ryan Braun, Mat Gamel, Brett Lawrie
LF - Cole Gillaspie
CF - Tony Gwynn Jr, Lorenzo Cain
RF -
DH - Matt Laporta
B -

SP - Dana Eveland, Yovani Gallardo, Mark Rogers, Jeremy Jeffress,
RP - Craig Breslow,


Stars - Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun
Above Average - Rickie Weeks
Solid MLB - Yovani Gallard (upside)
Average MLB - Matt LaPorta, Jon Lucroy (might be generous here)
Bench Material – Dana Eveland, Mark Rodgers, Jeremy Jeffress, Craig Breslow, Lorenzo Cain, Tony Gwynn Jr
Potential - Mat Gamel, Brett Lawrie, Cole Gillaspie

Brewers certainly know how to draft hitters

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

2002-2008 Boston Red Sox

holy fuck... Theo

Should be interesting to see what he does with the Cubs.

[lou]

Good fucking lord awesome
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Rays A+ (8 above average players, another 6-8 normal MLB players)
Red Sox A+ (6-7 above average players, and other dozen MLB players)
Braves A (6 above average players, two of whom relievers, and a dozen normal MLB players)
Giants A- (6 above average players, two of whom relievers, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Royals A- (5-6 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Tigers B+ (4 above average players, and a dozen normal MLB players)
D-Backs B+ (4-5 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Brewers B+ (4-5 above average players, and 6-8 Normal MLB Players)
Dodgers B (4 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Yankees B (3-4 above average players, and a dozen normal MLB Players)
Phillies C+ (3-4 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Marlins C+ (3 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Reds C (2-4 above average players, and 4-6 normal MLB players)
Angels C (2-3 above average players, and 6-8 Normal MLB players)
Padres C (2 above average players, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Astros D+ (2 above average players, and 3-5 normal MLB players)
Orioles D+ (1-2 above average guy, and 4-6 MLB players)
White Sox D+ (1-2 above average guys, 4-6 MLB players)
Mets D (1 above average guy, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Rockies D (1 above average guy, and 6-8 normal MLB players)
Cleveland F (6-8 normal MLB players)
Cubs F- (4-6 normal MLB players)

I am a bit more generous than Ramp putting some guys into above average and just projecting them there (like Gallardo, Walden, and Maybin), but I think it's a pretty solid roundball and no huge disagreements would be had. Awesome awesome thanks Ramp.

8 more to go, but I think the writing is on the wall this is middle of the pack for Beinfest
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Teams left

Blue Jays
Twins
Athletics
Mariners
Rangers
Nationals/Expos
Cardinals
Pirates

[Mainge]

Considering we draft in the middle just about every year, that's not unexpected.

The real issue is missing on Skip. That sucked.

[Bobbob1313]

Considering we draft in the middle just about every year, that's not unexpected.

They've also been in the bottom 10 in money spent, I believe. I remember reading that somewhere, but I can't find it.

Either way, it's a combination of not spending money on the best player available and not drafting super high. I don't think, at this point, anyone can say that the Marlins guys are either especially good or bad once you account for other things.

[Mainge]

Hopefully that is a thing of the past.

[nny]

27th in baseball from '08-'10 according to BA (no link, on phone. Posted it at the other place)

Played a huge part. The fact they were average while paying amonst the lowest is a positive at least