Ozzie Guillen 2012: 5 Game Suspension, Irony Abounds

[el nino]

If you use the word nigger to insult a black person, it is just as bad as using faggot to insult a gay person. The more interesting question is what's worse between using the word nigger to insult a white person, and using the word faggot to insult a straight person. I would say the former is worse, because you are equivalently insulting him by claiming he is black. Using faggot doesn't necessarily mean you are calling the person gay, because as we all know it has changed in colloquial definition.

[Erick]

Huh. So the word means "faggot", right? What are the different connotations?

The argument is always made that the person using the word doesn't actually mean "Gay person" when they say it. I don't think that makes a difference.

We've had this debate before and I think you take too much offense to it.

Friends (well, maybe not you and your friends, but still) call each other faggots on occasion and it doesn't really mean anything.

Whether you think it's right or wrong, context plays a part. Black people are the same with the "N word." It all depends how you say it and the age of the person also plays a part.
--------------------

nigger or faggot? whats worse and why in your opinions?

They're both equally terrible.

[Bobbob1313]

We've had this debate before and I think you take too much offense to it.

Friends (well, maybe not you and your friends, but still) call each other faggots on occasion and it doesn't really mean anything.

Whether you think it's right or wrong, context plays a part. Black people are the same with the "N word." It all depends how you say it and the age of the person also plays a part.

I think the fact that people think it doesn't mean anything is part of why it's an issue. You don't get to decide what does or doesn't mean something to someone.

I always come back to this skit from Louie, Season 1. I think it sums it up well:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc[/ame]

You might want to know that every gay man in America has probably had that word shouted at them when they’re being beaten up, sometimes many times, sometimes by a lot of people all at once. So, when you say it, it kind of brings that all back up. But, you know, use it. By all means, get your laughs. But now you know what it means.

[Bobbob1313]

Can't tell if serious.

[Erick]

If friends are having a drink with each other, and call one another a faggot, it's just not the same. It's not the same as directly calling a gay person a faggot. That's what I mean. Obviously, calling a gay person a faggot is very offensive.

It's the same with the N word, as well. The N word is actually completely different in the sense that nigger and nigga don't mean the same to black people these days. Right or wrong, it is what it is. To them, calling someone a "nigga" (this is why I said age plays a part because older black people would likely take more offense to it) is like a cooler way of saying friend, buddy, etc.

You can have the right to the opinion that it's wrong, but you can't say society doesn't do it/people don't take offense to it the same way. I think it's highly dependent on context these days.

[HUGG]

I hate everything about this tweet. Everything.

[Chewford]

That is not how putting words together works.

[emkayseven]

Ozzie Guillen still hasn't received any assurances he'll return for a second season as Miami Marlins manager, but sources close to the combative skipper say he's "not too worried about it" either way.

As the Marlins open their final homestand of a tremendously disappointing season tonight against the Phillies, there had been some thought that perhaps Guillen's four-year contract included an out clause of some kind that would protect the Marlins from having to pay out the $7.5 million that remains.

Maybe some sort of clause penalizing him for "comments detrimental to the organization."

Not so, said two of Guillen's friends in the game.

In fact, despite daily speculation swirling around the team that includes Guillen's job status, one source said the 48-year-old has "peace of mind" about his situation.

"That's what four-year contracts give you," the source said.

The same source hinted there's a "lot more going on" inside Marlins Park than just a decision on the manager.

That could include changes to the front-office structure as well as the coaching staff.

One name to keep in mind is veteran hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo, fired in June by the Cubs as he completed a three-year, $2.42 million contract that made him the highest-paid hitting coach in baseball history.

Guillen has spokenly openly this season about his respect for Jaramillo, who previously rose to prominence in the Rangers organization and is a member of the Texas Baseball Hall of Fame.

Eduardo Perez, son of Marlins special assistant and baseball Hall of Famer Tony Perez, currently holds the position, but the injury-marred Marlins are 28th out of 30 big-league teams in runs.

Their on-base percentage (.307) ranks 26th in the majors and they are 25th in slugging (.382).

Jaramillo, however, would likely have to take a steep pay cut to work for the Marlins, whose coaches are traditionally paid near the bottom of the big-league scale.

"No one has any idea what they're thinking," one source said of the Marlins drama. "So it's just wait and see."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...cial-assistant

would love to get Jaramillo here

[HUGG]

Jaramillo, however, would likely have to take a steep pay cut to work for the Marlins, whose coaches are traditionally paid near the bottom of the big-league scale.

ehe

[Erick]

I'd like Jaramillo here. That way, we could hit the same crappy way we do but with a new coach.