Stark: Marlins Could Be Big Players This Off-Season UPDATE: All Big Names In Play

[MiamiHomer]

I don't even know what you are saying anymore.

[Ramp]

This is no way to celebrate your new year.

it's a tradition

[CrimsonCane]

I don't know why people are getting worked up over this kid's Beltran comments. Just don't bother dignifying the inanity with a real response.

[MiamiHomer]

I always get suckered in. I can't help it!

[AdamRavs]

Its like a train wreck.. you have to watch it

[Big Z]

The fuck is going on in here.

Anyways, I just looked at Jose Reyes numbers. I wasn't aware that he actually played so many games over the past couple of seasons, felt like he's been out forever. Not bad, but definitely not worth $100 million. 7/91 sounds about right for Jose.

[lilchris11]

nice way to start my time on this site. i want to say thanks to everyone for thier welcomes. this site is pretty cool. im a fan of you guys that why i joined

[Erick]

hey your right the marlins wont be interstead in him. all im saying is that if a team needed him to play RF or LF he can do it

Yeah but your original point was that we needed a CF'er. You said we need pitching, third base, and centerfielder when you brought up Beltran. This happened 3 pages ago.

[Ramp]

nice way to start my time on this site. i want to say thanks to everyone for thier welcomes. this site is pretty cool. im a fan of you guys that why i joined

my first fan named chris!

[lilchris11]

Yeah but your original point was that we needed a CF'er. You said we need pitching, third base, and centerfielder when you brought up Beltran. This happened 3 pages ago.

yeah your right i thought maybe we could sign him and maybe he could play 5 games a week. i know they wont sign him im just throwing up ideas u know like everyone on here does

[Swifty]

Oh. So that's why you brought up John Lackey. Makes sense now.

The Red Sox wanted Buck last offseason. I can't imagine many teams want him now. Lackey is a very real DFA risk. If you can unload deadweight, take on Lackey at the minimum, and then have $6 million to spend on someone worth it, that's improving the team.

I will pretty plainly lay this out:

John Buck is in my opinion the worst every day catcher in baseball. He is going to a ballpark that is (again, my opinion) going to play big. Very big. I don't think he's going to be a bounce back guy next year. His numbers can't get much worse because, frankly, there's not a lot of room to drop unless he suffers some catastrophic injury.

John Lackey/AJ Burnett/Other Team's headache is a DFA candidate (certainly in the case of Lackey). If the money works, I think it makes sense to bring in one of those pitchers to a ballpark that plays "big" where, arguably, the best offensive player(s) in the division will be their teammates. A generally weak offensive NL East and a huge home ballpark tells me that there's a chance for a reclamation project somewhere.

I think that shedding deadweight (and I think Buck is unequivocally deadweight) for a roster spot that has no obligation with it (again, the Marlins would not take on cash in either of my scenarios) and freeing up cash to spend on someone worth it makes a ton of sense for the team.

[lilchris11]

ok people heres a more reaonable option what about pagan good speed contach guy and plays a good CF cheap dude

[Bobbob1313]

(and I think Buck is unequivocally deadweight) for a roster spot that has no obligation with it (again, the Marlins would not take on cash in either of my scenarios)

You're living in a fucking fantasy world where the Red Sox are just going to be fine with paying John Buck $57 million for two years to be a backup catcher.

Also, John Buck was all of .025 OPS points below the average NL catcher. Not even getting into the fact that as Hugg pointed out, there was probably some bad luck along the way, you're really overstating how bad he was. Like a lot. He wasn't good, but for a catcher who played as often as he did, he was ok.

[HUGG]

The Red Sox wanted Buck last offseason. I can't imagine many teams want him now. Lackey is a very real DFA risk. If you can unload deadweight, take on Lackey at the minimum, and then have $6 million to spend on someone worth it, that's improving the team.

I will pretty plainly lay this out:

John Buck is in my opinion the worst every day catcher in baseball. He is going to a ballpark that is (again, my opinion) going to play big. Very big. I don't think he's going to be a bounce back guy next year. His numbers can't get much worse because, frankly, there's not a lot of room to drop unless he suffers some catastrophic injury.

John Lackey/AJ Burnett/Other Team's headache is a DFA candidate (certainly in the case of Lackey). If the money works, I think it makes sense to bring in one of those pitchers to a ballpark that plays "big" where, arguably, the best offensive player(s) in the division will be their teammates. A generally weak offensive NL East and a huge home ballpark tells me that there's a chance for a reclamation project somewhere.

I think that shedding deadweight (and I think Buck is unequivocally deadweight) for a roster spot that has no obligation with it (again, the Marlins would not take on cash in either of my scenarios) and freeing up cash to spend on someone worth it makes a ton of sense for the team.

Well, I mean, he had a career .289 BABIP coming into this season and then had a .268 this year, so I imagine there's some reason to believe his numbers will improve.

[Erick]

The Red Sox wanted Buck last offseason. I can't imagine many teams want him now. Lackey is a very real DFA risk. If you can unload deadweight, take on Lackey at the minimum, and then have $6 million to spend on someone worth it, that's improving the team.

I will pretty plainly lay this out:

John Buck is in my opinion the worst every day catcher in baseball. He is going to a ballpark that is (again, my opinion) going to play big. Very big. I don't think he's going to be a bounce back guy next year. His numbers can't get much worse because, frankly, there's not a lot of room to drop unless he suffers some catastrophic injury.

John Lackey/AJ Burnett/Other Team's headache is a DFA candidate (certainly in the case of Lackey). If the money works, I think it makes sense to bring in two pitchers to a ballpark that plays "big" where, arguably, the best offensive player(s) in the division will be their teammates. A generally weak offensive NL East and a huge home ballpark tells me that there's a chance for a reclamation project somewhere.

I think that shedding deadweight (and I think Buck is unequivocally deadweight) for a roster spot that has no obligation with it (again, the Marlins would not take on cash in either of my scenarios) and freeing up cash to spend on someone worth it makes a ton of sense for the team.

Saltalamacchia put up a 2.5 WAR for the Red Sox this year.
Ryan Lavarnway had a .290/.376/.563 this season in the minor leagues.

The Red Sox aren't as needy for a catcher as they were last offseason.

Even if they were in need of a catcher, no organization is retarded enough to pay the rest of John Lackey's contract + the rest of John Buck's contract.

The two trade ideas that you have come up with the past couple of days make no sense for any team. It's actually incredible. Normally, a silly offer ends up making sense for some team. This just fucks everyone up.