How Many More Does Edwin Need to Win This Month to Keep His Job ?

[Todd]

It is for me. He can pay for being an asshole to me.

I think you are going out on an incredibly shaky limb if you think he or anyone else cares all that much.

[Emperor]

You seem to only suggest successful GMs (some of your suggestions have been debatable) on other major league teams. I'd assume those people are pretty content with their jobs and aren't too interested in what would amount to a lateral move. Therefore, who would you suggest that we hire that would be better than Beinfest AND be willing to leave their current job?

If Beinfest is one of the Top 10 GMs in baseball, and 1-9 are really happy to stay where they are, don't we stay happy with Beinfest? In economics, it's the concept of opportunity cost. Beinfest is only undesirable if there's a better option waiting out there for us.

Jocketty was available when he left St. Louis. With his track record I would have jumped all over him. But I guess at this point its crying over spilled milk.

[Mainge]

Holy shit I repped Todd

[Emperor]

I think you are going out on an incredibly shaky limb if you think he or anyone else cares all that much.

Like I said I could care less.

[Todd]

Walt Jocketty's track record is basically trading away prospects and signing guys in their mid to late 30s to multi year deals. His teams were always built for one season runs, never with much multi year continuity in place, and while in St. Louis they had many holes that had to be filled every year.

In other words, the exact opposite of what a budget conscious franchise like the Marlins need.

[Beef]

Like I said I could care less.

Like, a lot less?

[Erick]

Jocketty was available when he left St. Louis. With his track record I would have jumped all over him. But I guess at this point its crying over spilled milk.

I think you're overrating the job that Walt Jocketty has done in Cincinnati.

What exactly has he done that's sooooooo special? At least, in comparison to Beinfest.

[Mainge]

Anyway Emperor, since we're playing this game, name some big name FA's that Schuerholz got discounted.

Please cite your work.

[Erick]

Walt Jocketty's track record is basically trading away prospects and signing guys in their mid to late 30s to multi year deals. His teams were always built for one season runs, never with much multi year continuity in place, and while in St. Louis they had many holes that had to be filled every year.

In other words, the exact opposite of what a budget conscious franchise like the Marlins need.

It's funny that we're complaining about Beinfest history in the first round, when Walt Jocketty has basically drafted only one legit player in the first round, ever (Rasmus, '05).

[Emperor]

I still don't understand why Beinfest has a "draft problem."

Pointing out all his mistakes at a crapshoot event and not taking into account his great draft picks is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are a lot of MLB GM's who wish they could've drafted a core of hitters like Stanton, LoMo, Gaby, and Coghlan (soon to include Matt Dominguez). + drafted one of the best pitchers in baseball (Josh Johnson).

But yeah, he sucks.

But you make it sound as if he is the only one who has hit on later rounds. EVERYONE DOES THAT, and probably at about the same degree Beinfest does. However his 1st round misses have been horrible. How can someone that gets it right that often in the lower rounds miss that many times in the 1st round. Like I said all he had to do was hit 2 or 3 times and we'd be right there with Atlanta and Philly.

[Todd]

It's funny that we're complaining about Beinfest history in the first round, when Walt Jocketty has basically drafted only one legit player in the first round, ever (Rasmus, '05).

When has anyone complained about Beinfest in the 1st round? I would have loved the Fish to draft Rasmus in 2005 btw, they had 3 chances IIRC before the Cardinals finally picked him.

Edit-Apparently Emperor is debating Beinfest's prowess in the 1st round. My bad Erick.
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Emperor, have you actually looked at the list of Braves 1st round picks this decade? Aside from Heyward, it is incredibly barren.

[Mainge]

But you make it sound as if he is the only one who has hit on later rounds. EVERYONE DOES THAT, and probably at about the same degree Beinfest does. However his 1st round misses have been horrible. How can someone that gets it right that often in the lower rounds miss that many times in the 1st round. Like I said all he had to do was hit 2 or 3 times and we'd be right there with Atlanta and Philly.

Please provide examples.

I need 2 all-stars everyday players, a borderline all-star everyday player, an average everyday player, 3 back up position players, and three-fifths of the rotation including a top 5 starter.

[CrimsonCane]

But you make it sound as if he is the only one who has hit on later rounds. EVERYONE DOES THAT, and probably at about the same degree Beinfest does. However his 1st round misses have been horrible. How can someone that gets it right that often in the lower rounds miss that many times in the 1st round. Like I said all he had to do was hit 2 or 3 times and we'd be right there with Atlanta and Philly.

Isn't this to some extent a byproduct of out performing our payroll? We never do terrible enough record-wise to be at a stage in the draft where we can draft the really elite can't miss prospects that are available in the earliest stages of the first round. And, once you get to the middle part of the draft, you need more money than this team can afford to really acquire some of the more "can't miss" guys that are falling because of signability concerns.

It's like those people who faulted Billy Beane because he used so many of those first round picks in Moneyball on guys like Jeremy Brown and whatnot considering how many great players he passed on. People analyze that in a vacuum. Given his budget constraints, Beane could've never gone for a handful of big signings (even though he had the picks) because those signing alone would've approximated his yearly MLB payroll.

Big market teams get to play with a full deck. Teams like the Marlins don't make enough money to do that. If he's smart, Beinfest has to know how to adjust his strategy accordingly. Is that going to result in fewer 1st round successes? Perhaps. But, how much money has that strategy saved us long-term when we're not spending millions more over the last 5-7 years on first round picks and only get 1-2 extra players to show for it? More importantly, can we even argue that he's making the wrong choice given those options?

[Todd]

Aside from the 5 first rounders in 2005(where of the 5 only Volstad was projected as a 1st rounder IIRC), he hasnt done all that bad.

[Bobbob1313]

Aside from the 5 first rounders in 2005(where of the 5 only Volstad was projected as a 1st rounder IIRC), he hasnt done all that bad.

Big issue with that is if you have 5 first rounders, but don't have a huge budget, you can't draft 5 first round guys. It's why Billy Beane drafted Jeremy Brown in the first and gave him a super low offer.