How Many More Does Edwin Need to Win This Month to Keep His Job ?

[Mainge]

I am done discussing this with you.

[Emperor]

I am done discussing this with you.

Well I was done with you a while back. People that are two-faced are not worth my time.

[Mainge]

Okay

[Ramp]

So what are all these wrong opinions that I have ?

For starters, put the question mark after the final word. You don't need that space there. That's what makes you a lunatic more than anything else.

Here's your wrong posts just from yesterday (and which you ignored all retorts)

http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=80

Okay if that's the case why does anyone here bitch & moan about the team ? If he's doing such a great job (Cincinnati is another example of a GM doing better than ours in the last few years) then why all the complaints about the team ? I just don't get it. Its Beinfest who puts the team together and not Loria, so why not blame him ?

http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=60

I doubt Beinfest could have or would have put together all of that 2003 roster himself. He was given a great base that he had to supplement to get us over the top. The Pudge signings and Uggla signings are just pure luck and nothing else. No one expected Pudge to play that well

http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php?p=170519&postcount=62

So if that is the case, that you need to maximize your homegrown talent, it means you must put the greatest effort into the draft that you can. How can you fail that many times when its what you are concentrating your efforts on ? If you are failing at the draft, then you need to rethink your draft strategy. If you can't or won't rethink it, you are a detriment to the eventual success of the team.

[Emperor]

For starters, put the question mark after the final word. You don't need that space there. That's what makes you a lunatic more than anything else.

Here's your wrong posts just from yesterday (and which you ignored all retorts)

http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=80



http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=60


http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php?p=170519&postcount=62

A grammar mistake makes me a lunatic ? LOL okay thanks for the laugh.

As for Cincinnati, Jocketty has done a superior job and there is no question about it. Their farm system is rated higher, and they have won a division crown. Forget the money issues, that is a lazy excuse for Beinfest. And if it is the issue, then why all the bitching about the team on this board ? If that can always be the excuse then there is no reason for debating. Its always money, that is it then.

As for 2003, Beinfest had pieces like Adrian Gonzalez who were handed gift wrapped to him. He was a 1st round pick. We know Beinfest's history of 1st round picks. History says, that Beinfest wouldn't have taken Gonzalez, and that piece would not have been there.

As for my maintaining that Beinfest has failed in the 1st round (where supposedly the odds say its harder to take a bust than other rounds) Beinfest has either had horrible luck, I mean voodoo doll worthy bad luck, or his drafting strategy just lacks something needed. How can this be a wrong statement ? How many times does he have to fail in the 1st round for you to see he sucks at picking in the 1st round where the hardest to miss on players are taken ? If he hits on just one or two from 2004 to 2008 we would be in contention with a full slate of homegrown talent, and one of the darlings of MLB just like the Rays are.

[Bobbob1313]

If he does more good than bad, then he's a good GM.

I think, even with his issues with the draft, he does more good than bad.

Do you disagree with that?

[Ramp]

A grammar mistake makes me a lunatic ? LOL okay thanks for the laugh.

It's just a weird thing to do.

As for Cincinnati, Jocketty has done a superior job and there is no question about it. Their farm system is rated higher, and they have won a division crown. Forget the money issues, that is a lazy excuse for Beinfest. And if it is the issue, then why all the bitching about the team on this board ? If that can always be the excuse then there is no reason for debating. Its always money, that is it then.

Cincy's farm system is rated higher because Morrison and Stanton are in the bigs at ages 22 and 21. If they were in the minors, we would be up there with anyone as Morrison is a potential All Star and Stanton is a potential world beater.

As for 2003, Beinfest had pieces like Adrian Gonzalez who were handed gift wrapped to him. He was a 1st round pick. We know Beinfest's history of 1st round picks. History says, that Beinfest wouldn't have taken Gonzalez, and that piece would not have been there.

This one makes my head hurt.

As for my maintaining that Beinfest has failed in the 1st round (where supposedly the odds say its harder to take a bust than other rounds) Beinfest has either had horrible luck, I mean voodoo doll worthy bad luck, or his drafting strategy just lacks something needed. How can this be a wrong statement ? How many times does he have to fail in the 1st round for you to see he sucks at picking in the 1st round where the hardest to miss on players are taken ? If he hits on just one or two from 2004 to 2008 we would be in contention with a full slate of homegrown talent, and one of the darlings of MLB just like the Rays are.

He's had misses in the first round but has more than made up for it in other rounds. So at the end of the day he breaks even. It sucks he can't hit a first rounder, but he's got a nice track record outside of the top 30.

[Swifty]

It's not "right" it's an impulse move, but if Edwin is not going to be the guy in 2012+ (and he's not) then it's time to make a change. This is absurd and inexplicable.

[Mainge]

I'm gonna make you think about it longer

I've put a little thought in to this and the only retard that posts in the Marlins section at ThePhins is DolfanJake and I wouldn't have invited him.

Maybe I was drunk or something

[Bobbob1313]

DolFanJake posted here and at MB.com and got run off both places for basically making anti-semitic comments about Loria.

[Mainge]

Really?

[Bobbob1313]

Really?

Bumping for this:This fool is a troll. He's been posting the same vaguely anti-semitic crap on MB.com as "Dolfanjake" and "DanUggla", and he very well may be posting under two names here.

Just posted this beauty over there:

Loria's ego, arrogance and cheapness have all been exposed this year. Whoever in baseball that had been blind to it, now sees it, in all its garish ethnic stereotype.

I posted this in the Fredi Firing thread.

[Emperor]

If he does more good than bad, then he's a good GM.

I think, even with his issues with the draft, he does more good than bad.

Do you disagree with that?

No I don't, but we need extraordinary. With our budget restrictions (even the new stadium will never alleviate those completely) we need to have someone that can be superior like a Shierholtz (spelling ?) in Atlanta. He finds guys in the draft, and also gets big names in FA as well - and he always gets them cheap (Uggla is an exception) - because guys are willing to take some less to know you are going to have a shot to win. With the Marlins its more of a gamble. We haven't been in the playoffs but twice in 19 years, and none in the last 8 seasons. Atlanta was good, then was mediocre for a couple of years, and now looks to be right back on their game. Why don't the Marlins deserve the same kind of GM ?

[CrimsonCane]

You seem to only suggest successful GMs (some of your suggestions have been debatable) on other major league teams. I'd assume those people are pretty content with their jobs and aren't too interested in what would amount to a lateral move. Therefore, who would you suggest that we hire that would be better than Beinfest AND be willing to leave their current job?

If Beinfest is one of the Top 10 GMs in baseball, and 1-9 are really happy to stay where they are, don't we stay happy with Beinfest? In economics, it's the concept of opportunity cost. Beinfest is only undesirable if there's a better option waiting out there for us.

[Erick]

I still don't understand why Beinfest has a "draft problem."

Pointing out all his mistakes at a crapshoot event and not taking into account his great draft picks is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are a lot of MLB GM's who wish they could've drafted a core of hitters like Stanton, LoMo, Gaby, and Coghlan (soon to include Matt Dominguez). + drafted one of the best pitchers in baseball (Josh Johnson).

But yeah, he sucks.