Bullpen Masterful As Marlins Take Series in Atlanta, 6-5

[Beef]

I never said it was a full extension dive, for what it's worth.

And people are criticizing him, saying that it's a play that any decent CF'er makes. Some people are saying it's a play any decent CF'er makes...standing up.

There's no proof for that. None. Simple as that, really.

If you're going to tell me that those are the opinions of your eyes, I'm going to disagree. I've seen Cody Ross dive for balls like that in the past. He was good out there.

People are just saying this crap because it's the cool thing to say. "He's new at the position, there are really no stats to look at yet regarding his defense, so that must mean that every diving play he makes is a play any average outfielder catches on his feet."

Nobody is doing anything in here that is the cool thing to say. I believe everyone here has been impressed with Coghlan in CF. But the idea that it was an incredible, pulled-out-of-his-ass play that required full extension is all wrong.

[Erick]

Weren't you the guy saying we would be a pennant contender for years to come because we had such a clusterfuck of arms in the minors that all of them couldn't fail?

That is what Beef is referencing.

I know you're not arguing with me, but seriously...what a stupid thing to argue, in hindsight.

If you go back to 2006, the Marlins had, arguably, the most impressive young rotation in baseball.

There was plenty to be optimistic about, at the time. Forgive him (Lou) for not being Walter Mercado.

[TealMonster08]

I just saw the catch for the first time, and I am completely unbiased except that I think Erick is the worst sometimes...the catch was nice, but if he wouldnt have made it, I wouldve been displeased. The lean/dive thing wasnt necessary but it made it easier for a guy who does not play outfield and is not used to low/shoe string grabs. Do not be ridiculous people...it was cool, but not the coolest.

[Party]

There was plenty to be optimistic about, but the stuff lou was saying back in those days was lol.

[lou]

Weren't you the guy saying we would be a pennant contender for years to come because we had such a clusterfuck of arms in the minors that all of them couldn't fail?

That is what Beef is referencing.

The organization kind of traded Cabrera, Hermida fell apart going against every scouting report, Dontrelle fell apart and was traded, Girardi blew out our current rotations arms in 2007 setting them back two years, then Maybin and Miller both whomped, the entire 2005 pitching draft has not produced, and the Stadium was delayed a year or two for political issues. Through all of this, they've somehow managed to stay around .500. So yea, I think if they had some better luck with the above, we'd have seen a playoff berth or two. You don't see me saying this now? I love the young core of hitters, but pitching might be real scary as probably only James and Hand are maybes on the radar, and it's not like the 2-5 is consistent. They are going to have to buy starters moving forward despite their organizational belief, but we'll see.

This is the problem when people don't get things from the front office. Oakland hasn't won shit, but have been one of the best run franchises in baseball for a decade. They maximize their resources. The Marlins are really good at doing this as well and they should be commended for this.

[Erick]

Nobody is doing anything in here that is the cool thing to say. I believe everyone here has been impressed with Coghlan in CF. But the idea that it was an incredible, pulled-out-of-his-ass play that required full extension is all wrong.

The full extension part was hyperbole on Lou's part.
Above average play/web gem? Yeah. Some of you are talking about it, as if it was just a routine play.

[Mainge]

I never said it was a full extension dive, for what it's worth.

And people are criticizing him, saying that it's a play that any decent CF'er makes. Some people are saying it's a play any decent CF'er makes...standing up.

There's no proof for that. None. Simple as that, really.

If you're going to tell me that those are the opinions of your eyes, I'm going to disagree. I've seen Cody Ross dive for balls like that in the past. He was good out there.

People are just saying this crap because it's the cool thing to say. "He's new at the position, there are really no stats to look at yet regarding his defense, so that must mean that every diving play he makes is a play any average outfielder catches on his feet."

Or maybe we can use our eyes and see what anyone with common sense and a decent understanding of baseball can see. He didn't need to dive for that. I mean hell, I was the one sort of defending Cogz in CF when you were calling it moronic, and a waste of time. I thought he had a chance to be average.

Jesus, I sound like Swift.

[Beef]

Well Coghlan is a nice player. He's not the quickest out there, doesn't get the best of jumps and certainly doesn't know how to read the ball off the bat like a guy that has played CF for years does. So therefore, it's a play every CFer out there should make. You can tell by watching it that Coghlan does not need to dive for the ball. There is not anything close to full extension and in fact he almost overruns the ball. It's almost like he slid to slow down a little.

I believe he wanted you to show him every other starting centerfielder starting from the same spot in the outfield attacking the exact same ball hit to the exact same place. Without that, no proofs.

Also, yeah, it was the kind of catch that a lot of CFers would only hit the ground because they kind of slide after the catch to stop their momentum or they get a bad jump and stumble and hit the ground after because they had to extend their arm and slow down at the same time. The player in the latter scenario would roll once and jump to his feet.
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The full extension part was hyperbole on Lou's part.
Above average play/web gem? Yeah. Some of you are talking about it, as if it was just a routine play.

I'm not going to judge plays based on web gem status.

[Madman81]

Above average play/web gem? Yeah. .

No.

[Erick]

I just saw the catch for the first time, and I am completely unbiased except that I think Erick is the worst sometimes...the catch was nice, but if he wouldnt have made it, I wouldve been displeased. The lean/dive thing wasnt necessary but it made it easier for a guy who does not play outfield and is not used to low/shoe string grabs. Do not be ridiculous people...it was cool, but not the coolest.

But it was "cool" and "rather amazing." It's as if some of you desperately want to downplay it, for the sake of argument.

[Party]

I didn't know Web Gems still existed.

[Madman81]

We're downplaying it because it's a play everyone makes and you are acting like Cogs fucking levitated towards the ball, darted into the stands to fuck some hot chick, and then came rushing back in time to make an unbelievable diving catch while also leaving said hot chick satisfied.

[Erick]

Or maybe we can use our eyes and see what anyone with common sense and a decent understanding of baseball can see. He didn't need to dive for that. I mean hell, I was the one sort of defending Cogz in CF when you were calling it moronic, and a waste of time. I thought he had a chance to be average.

Jesus, I sound like Swift.

Because your common sense and decent understanding of baseball is superior to mine, right? I'm not sure how that makes your argument work; it kinda sucks, actually.

Again, any proof that he didn't need to dive for it? PROOF...anyone need a definition?

[Beef]

But it was "cool" and "rather amazing." It's as if some of you desperately want to downplay it, for the sake of argument.

If you are still quoting me on the rather amazing thing, you are a dumber asshole than TealMonster08 thinks you are. If you are quoting lou, he thought the play required full extension, so, ya know?

[lou]

Nobody is doing anything in here that is the cool thing to say. I believe everyone here has been impressed with Coghlan in CF. But the idea that it was an incredible, pulled-out-of-his-ass play that required full extension is all wrong.

I think a college 2B turned 3B turned LF then injured for a year turned back to 3B turned to CF, making a diving catch on his non glove side maybe.... 30 games in CF (including spring) to save a bases loaded triple is kind of a pull out of your ass moment.

Seems you guys are focusing more on, a center fielder has to make that play, more than, Chris Coghlan is our fucking center fielder and if anyone was expecting this kind of performance, you're a liar. I know a few of you thought, "yea this would be fine," but we're well above fine with the way he's playing. And it's awesome it's happening. It won the game today. Jesus christ.