Donnie Fuckin' Murphy Saves A Panda, Fish Win in 10 3-2 Over Nats

[HUGG]

We're 2-0 when Stanton is involved and 0-2 when he's not.

Early candidate for the New York Times MVP Watch List.

[Todd]

Not to go all mibs, but...I do think Volstad has the talent to be pretty gosh darn ok.

[Mainge]

I just checked and fangraphs says he's averaged low-90's every year in the big leagues.

Surprising to me because some nights it seems like he barely touches 88. Maybe that's just me, though.

But yeah, fangraphs basically has him as a 90-91 mph pitcher.

That's how I remember him. With no control, and flat off-speed

[CrimsonCane]

My brother told me that Volstad used to throw in the low to mid-90's in high school with excellent control. He walked like 3 guys his senior year.

You can substitute Volstad in that sentence for almost every single stud HS pitcher in the country. Gaby Hernandez matched that description to a T. Most of them never amount to much.

[Party]

I remember Volstad having a reputation while he was in MiLB of having 'Derek Low Lite' stuff. He threw a great game in his debut, but I was incredibly disappointed with his stuff.

Hermida was considered a possible centerfielder.

It amazes me sometimes at how off these descriptions are.

[Todd]

Gaby Hernandez...now theres a name I havent heard for a while.

[Omar]

It'll happen when your offseason acquisitions for the offense are Omar Infante and John Buck.

Not that those two guys are horrible, but losing Uggla/adding Infante and Buck definitely worsens the team .OBP.

Uggla has a higher career OBP, no doubt. But over the last five years:

2006: .325 vs .339
2007: .307 vs .326
2008: .338 vs .360
2009: .361 vs .354
2010: .359 vs .369

07 and 08 saw big differences, but the difference in the last two years is mostly negligible.

[Erick]

Uggla has a higher career OBP, no doubt. But over the last five years:

2006: .325 vs .339
2007: .307 vs .326
2008: .338 vs .360
2009: .361 vs .354
2010: .359 vs .369

07 and 08 saw big differences, but the difference in the last two years is mostly negligible.

Uggla's a much better .OBP guy.

Uggla actually draws walks. Infante's .OBP #'s are far more dependent on his high batting averages/high .BABIP.

In terms of overall plate discipline/projecting .OBP #'s, Uggla is an easy pick.

The guy who draws walks is always the safer bet over the guy who relies on a lot of singles.

[Omar]

Not sure how you could argue someone who strikes out nearly 300% more is the batter with greater plate discipline, but sure, why not.

[Erick]

Not sure how you could argue someone who strikes out nearly 300% more is the batter with greater plate discipline, but sure, why not.

So in an argument over who has better plate discipline, you'd take Juan Pierre over Adam Dunn?

[Mainge]

Y'all are kinda sorta arguing different things. Scouts use two different phrases. Plate discipline is the ability to not be fooled by off speed and/or pitches outside of the zone. Plate vision is the ability to take pitches outside the strike zone.

Using that phrasing, Uggla would have poor plate discipline but good plate vision. Vica versa Infante.

[Swifty]

I think for the amorphous "quality at bat" I'm taking Infante. Uggla, at least for me, is a guy whose stats look a lot better than his game.

[jOOj]

http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php...&postcount=141

Yessir! /takes all the credit

[Party]

I don't understand how pitchers avoiding Uggla = plate discipline. He is dependent on his power to draw walks.

[HUGG]

KJC was txting me telling me we were gonna lose, I had to tell him to stop.