2020 Draft

[Nick]

I really like Meyer BUT if they took Meyer instead of Lacy to save $$$$, that makes me feel really gross.

Meyer reminds me of The Freak.

I was thinking this too. Obviously if he has a career like Lincecum's then it's a great pick, but even Lincecum broke down pretty quickly, and that's my concern with Meyer.

Dillon Dingler still on the board. Needless to say he'd be a perfect fit.

[sports24/7]

I was thinking this too. Obviously if he has a career like Lincecum's then it's a great pick, but even Lincecum broke down pretty quickly, and that's my concern with Meyer.

Dillon Dingler still on the board. Needless to say he'd be a perfect fit.

Dingler would be really nice. Casey Martin is a guy I've been hoping they target with his upside, and he's still there. There are also a few pitchers there who look like good value. I wonder if they're looking to use their savings on Jared Kelley.

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I think it's interesting that the Orioles took Kjerstad under slot so that they could spend with their comp pick. If that was the goal, their guy(s) must have been gone because they went with a college player there.

[tjfla]

Well seems Asa Lacy and Max Meyer were 1 and 1A

The reasons we took Meyer instead were
#1 More MLB Ready-They think he could be a ML RP THIS season but as a SP could be in 2022 Opening Day rotation which fits with what they have
#2 Nothing to clean up-He needs to work on a 3rd pitch but with Lacy they had to work on delivery and stuff. Meyer they arent touching
#3 $$$-Lacy want OVER and Meyer wanted less. Already signed and its between 500k and 1.5 million. I heard 250K to 500K but no # yet

#3 seems to be the big 1 and looks like they got that right with the guys on the board right now. By way it wasn't about them being cheap it was about Asa wanting OVER slot and they wanted flexiblity. Meyer only got like 500k UNDER slot(could be more as heard 2 reports it was 1 million or more but my "janitor" friend said 250-500k) but with that they now have atleast 1 million to play with and maybe even more depending on today.

U could split it into 500k for 2 picks and it would be

40-2.350
61-1.60
75-1.30
104-1 million
134-920K

Again ONLY 2 of the picks could be this high but 4th Rd pick getting 1 million is nice. It lets them go BPA

500k or MORE for Max Meyer and 500k for the 5% overage which Jeter and Sherman are willing to pay

Austin Martin seems to never been in plan as they see him as a CF

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Dingler would be really nice. Casey Martin is a guy I've been hoping they target with his upside, and he's still there. There are also a few pitchers there who look like good value. I wonder if they're looking to use their savings on Jared Kelley.

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I think it's interesting that the Orioles took Kjerstad under slot so that they could spend with their comp pick. If that was the goal, their guy(s) must have been gone because they went with a college player there.

Yep plan for Baltimore was spend on Bitsko/Howard/Jordan Walker but all 3 got taken by teams whose plan seem to be spend big on 1st Rd Pick and save with other picks

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I like Max Meyer just not at #3. 6'0 180 and likely tops as a #2/3 SP

The thing that makes the pick ALOT better is the guys that are still on the board. We now have between 1-2 million(heard about 4 different reports on what he signed for) extra for today and lots of guys they love still around

They wanted a college bat who fell and 1 is staring them in the face(Dillon Dingler) however the arms might be to hard to pass

Could be any of these guys at #40

Dillon Dingler
Casey Martin

Hard Signs but we can afford-Jared Kelley/Carson Montgomery/Cole Wilcox
College Arms-Clayton Beeter/Chris McMahon
Injured but ready March 2021-JT Ginn/Dax Fulton

I would pick Dillon Dingler in 2 seconds but the arms potential might be to much for them to pass on especially if they worked something out with 1 of them. Dingler would pair well with Banfield and gives him some protection-if Banfield still can't hit u have a Dingler/Banfield thing but if Banfield hits u can do Banfield/Dingler(plays OF too). The arms pretty much fit all over our system-we got ML ready guys,AA/Hi A group and a very solid future group too.

[tjfla]

I would go today in Rd 2

Dillon Dingler(Slot)
Victor Mederos or another HS SP who will sign for 1.5 million or LESS

then see what is on board. 2 more College arms and a College 3B/SS like Servideo/Zavier Warren/Jimmy Glowenke or even see if can get a HS guy for 1 million

[fauowls44]

Well seems Asa Lacy and Max Meyer were 1 and 1A

The reasons we took Meyer instead were
#1 More MLB Ready-They think he could be a ML RP THIS season but as a SP could be in 2022 Opening Day rotation which fits with what they have
#2 Nothing to clean up-He needs to work on a 3rd pitch but with Lacy they had to work on delivery and stuff. Meyer they arent touching
#3 $$$-Lacy want OVER and Meyer wanted less. Already signed and its between 500k and 1.5 million. I heard 250K to 500K but no # yet

#3 seems to be the big 1 and looks like they got that right with the guys on the board right now. By way it wasn't about them being cheap it was about Asa wanting OVER slot and they wanted flexiblity. Meyer only got like 500k UNDER slot(could be more as heard 2 reports it was 1 million or more but my "janitor" friend said 250-500k) but with that they now have atleast 1 million to play with and maybe even more depending on today.

U could split it into 500k for 2 picks and it would be

40-2.350
61-1.60
75-1.30
104-1 million
134-920K

Again ONLY 2 of the picks could be this high but 4th Rd pick getting 1 million is nice. It lets them go BPA

500k or MORE for Max Meyer and 500k for the 5% overage which Jeter and Sherman are willing to pay

Austin Martin seems to never been in plan as they see him as a CF

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Yep plan for Baltimore was spend on Bitsko/Howard/Jordan Walker but all 3 got taken by teams whose plan seem to be spend big on 1st Rd Pick and save with other picks

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I like Max Meyer just not at #3. 6'0 180 and likely tops as a #2/3 SP

The thing that makes the pick ALOT better is the guys that are still on the board. We now have between 1-2 million(heard about 4 different reports on what he signed for) extra for today and lots of guys they love still around

They wanted a college bat who fell and 1 is staring them in the face(Dillon Dingler) however the arms might be to hard to pass

Could be any of these guys at #40

Dillon Dingler
Casey Martin

Hard Signs but we can afford-Jared Kelley/Carson Montgomery/Cole Wilcox
College Arms-Clayton Beeter/Chris McMahon
Injured but ready March 2021-JT Ginn/Dax Fulton

I would pick Dillon Dingler in 2 seconds but the arms potential might be to much for them to pass on especially if they worked something out with 1 of them. Dingler would pair well with Banfield and gives him some protection-if Banfield still can't hit u have a Dingler/Banfield thing but if Banfield hits u can do Banfield/Dingler(plays OF too). The arms pretty much fit all over our system-we got ML ready guys,AA/Hi A group and a very solid future group too.

I was mostly surprised that they passed on Martin, not that they picked Meyer. I suppose they decided to go pitching since they went bat heavy last year.

As for the Meyer/Lacy pick, I have no real issue with it if they considered the 2 of them just about even. The MLB draft is just weird. It's essentially like they traded down a few spots in the 1st round to move up in the 2nd in that it allows them to pick a player later on that they normally would not be able to sign.

[tjfla]

I was mostly surprised that they passed on Martin, not that they picked Meyer. I suppose they decided to go pitching since they went bat heavy last year.

As for the Meyer/Lacy pick, I have no real issue with it if they considered the 2 of them just about even. The MLB draft is just weird. It's essentially like they traded down a few spots in the 1st round to move up in the 2nd in that it allows them to pick a player later on that they normally would not be able to sign.

The issue with Austin Martin was most teams saw him as a CF and not an IF. Marlins already have tons of OF not counting the ones who likely will end up there and Martin can hit but he isnt gonna be hitting 20hr

Actually could be more depending on what they saved. I really want to believe they played it smart and saved 1.5 million which would be right amount but thinking my "janitor" friend is more right and only like 250-500k. 1-2 million to play with is ALOT still

[gustavopim]

It drives me insane that a couple of guys here think they know more than the Marlins scouting department. We/you don't know anything about medicals, their profile, what they are asking etc other than you read in scouting profiles across the internet. Did anyone here actually go to a Martin, Lacy, Meyer college game at all? The draft is hit or miss anyways.

[Nick]

It drives me insane that a couple of guys here think they know more than the Marlins scouting department. We/you don't know anything about medicals, their profile, what they are asking etc other than you read in scouting profiles across the internet. Did anyone here actually go to a Martin, Lacy, Meyer college game at all? The draft is hit or miss anyways.

I've watched games of all three, yes, but I'm not just going by my opinion, I follow what other experts are saying as well. All of which led me to preferring Lacy, and really it's not even a knock on Meyers, I just really like Lacy. If I didn't have an opinion on who we draft there would be no point in following the draft.

[Lee Stone]

It drives me insane that a couple of guys here think they know more than the Marlins scouting department. We/you don't know anything about medicals, their profile, what they are asking etc other than you read in scouting profiles across the internet. Did anyone here actually go to a Martin, Lacy, Meyer college game at all? The draft is hit or miss anyways.

You make a perfectly reasonable point - no cause for losing your sanity. In my case, the favoritism for Lacy was based primarily on his final start, which I watched in its entirety. I had been following NMS and Nick Gonzales for the simple reason that Gonzales was off to the best start of like any hitter in NCAA history. His NMSU team was an offensive juggernaut, averaging about 11 runs per game. Vs. Lacy, NMS got no hits over 7 innings while whiffing 13 times. Let's just say Lacy made a favorable impression. In my eye, he would have been the Marlins best pitcher the moment he signed his contract. We're all entitled to our own point of view.

Here's the point of view of prospect specialist Eric Longenhagen of Fangraphs, which currently enjoys the best reputation in the sport for player evaluation. He recently wrote a book on the subject with Kylie McDaniel, formerly of Fangraphs and now with ESPN. "There are folks in baseball who think Lacy was the best player in the draft and some who were worried about his medical. I don’t know whether that had anything to do with why Miami passed on him at three but now the Royals have another really nasty young arm who is likely to move quickly."

[sports24/7]

It drives me insane that a couple of guys here think they know more than the Marlins scouting department. We/you don't know anything about medicals, their profile, what they are asking etc other than you read in scouting profiles across the internet. Did anyone here actually go to a Martin, Lacy, Meyer college game at all? The draft is hit or miss anyways.

You’re right that we don’t have as much information as they do, but if you look for it, you can find enough to have an informed opinion, just like some people really wanted CJ Abrams last year, or how I was banging the drum to take Nolan Gorman the year they took Connor Scott. You can even go all the way back to the Tyler Kolek pick. Message boards are for people to express their opinions, and the argument that the pros know more than us so we should just accept whatever they do is a shortsighted argument that has been proven wrong on multiple occasions.

Also, in this case, it’s not necessarily even about the evaluation. If this was a move motivated by a strategy to save money to spend later in the draft, that’s a strategy people have every right to disagree with.

You’re right that it’s hit or miss, but all you can do is take the guys who you think are the best prospects. Asa Lacy is a VERY good prospect. Austin Martin is a VERY good prospect. Many people who get paid to scout these guys and have seen many of their games feel that way. I hope Meyer turns out to be a great pitcher. But right now I feel like they made a mistake in not going with those other two guys. We’ll see what happens.

[fauowls44]

Jim Callis' thoughts on Martin sliding:


Jim Callis
@jimcallisMLB
I think his asking price vs cost for Kjerstad & Meyer, plus the @Orioles & [MENTION=217]marlins[/MENTION] legitimately liked the guys they took. With @Royals, several teams had Lacy on par or ahead of Martin. If Martin was a slam-dunk SS, easier to take at 2. Steal at 5 for @BlueJays.
@MLBDraft

[tjfla]

We passed on Martin cause #1 they saw him as an CF and #2 his asking price was 7.5 million. No clue what Asa's was but reports were he said 8 to Detroit and Baltimore

They like Meyer as much as Lacy and the # they got him signed for they liked him even more. It DID come down to price but looks like they made a good decision because ALOT of guys with talent still on the board and they can afford them

KC/Toronto/Colorado and others who took guys who fell will be drafting underslot guys today while Miami and Baltimore will be drafting BPA just remember that

[Ralph]

JT Ginn would be pretty damn good at 40. And His value dropped some over the last year but I’d still love to take a chance on Blaze Jordan.

[tjfla]

JT Ginn would be pretty damn good at 40. And His value dropped some over the last year but I’d still love to take a chance on Blaze Jordan.

They are looking hard at Dingler,JT Ginn,Jared Kelley,Carson Montgomery,Dax Fulton,Cole Wilcox. Gonna assume Baltimore takes an arm in that group too and NONE of them would come cheap but we can afford any of them. Honestly I am fine with any of the guys I mentioned above which means they will do something weird HAHA

Blaze Jordan they like and would look at him at Rd 2S if around

[sports24/7]

We passed on Martin cause #1 they saw him as an CF and #2 his asking price was 7.5 million. No clue what Asa's was but reports were he said 8 to Detroit and Baltimore

They like Meyer as much as Lacy and the # they got him signed for they liked him even more. It DID come down to price but looks like they made a good decision because ALOT of guys with talent still on the board and they can afford them

KC/Toronto/Colorado and others who took guys who fell will be drafting underslot guys today while Miami and Baltimore will be drafting BPA just remember that

The CF thing is hard to understand. He was more than adequate at 3B, and would be at 2B. The Blue Jays even announced him as a SS. But being able to play CF should be a bonus. The Marlins have one player I feel somewhat confident about being able to become an every day CF in Harrison, but he has a ways to go if he is going to prove to be the long term solution there. Most of their other OF prospects are corner outfielders. Because of that, having a guy that you feel can play CF if you need one is a good thing.

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They are looking hard at Dingler,JT Ginn,Jared Kelley,Carson Montgomery,Dax Fulton,Cole Wilcox. Gonna assume Baltimore takes an arm in that group too and NONE of them would come cheap but we can afford any of them. Honestly I am fine with any of the guys I mentioned above which means they will do something weird HAHA

Blaze Jordan they like and would look at him at Rd 2S if around

I'd be good with any of those names with Dingler as my top choice. No Casey Martin?