2020 Draft

[fauowls44]

The one thing neither of us know is if Medicals played into it, there are reports that some teams were concerned. KC must not have been because they took him with the next pick. My guess is it came down to money and that's frustrating, because it always seems to come down to that with the Marlins.

I think Meyer has electric stuff, I really do, the type of stuff that's rare to find in the MLB Draft. I just wonder about his ability to be a workhorse in a major league rotation. He strikes me as either elite back of the end reliever, or a starter who lights the world on fire for a while, but doesn't last. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I don't think the money criticism is fair. It's possible that they just liked Meyer more...or perhaps more likely that they liked both Meyer and Lacy pretty equally and decided they would rather have Meyer AND Fulton than just Lacy. I can't fault that logic since the draft is such a crap shoot anyway.

[Nick]

I don't think the money criticism is fair. It's possible that they just liked Meyer more...or perhaps more likely that they liked both Meyer and Lacy pretty equally and decided they would rather have Meyer AND Fulton than just Lacy. I can't fault that logic since the draft is such a crap shoot anyway.

The fact that they had a deal for Meyer, pretty much immediately has to at least raise suspicion that it might be the case.

[fauowls44]

The fact that they had a deal for Meyer, pretty much immediately has to at least raise suspicion that it might be the case.

Right, but in the draft that's not being cheap...it's just manipulating the system to add additional better prospects.

[Nick]

Right, but in the draft that's not being cheap...it's just manipulating the system to add additional better prospects.

That's assuming the money saved will be necessary to sign Fulton.

Last year we got a guy who was asking for big money, had Scott Boras as his agent, and still managed to pick up 2 highly touted high schoolers and a big time college bat who fell in the 1st round all in the 1st 5 rounds.

[fauowls44]

That's assuming the money saved will be necessary to sign Fulton.

Last year we got a guy who was asking for big money, had Scott Boras as his agent, and still managed to pick up 2 highly touted high schoolers and a big time college bat who fell in the 1st round all in the 1st 5 rounds.

True, but those were college bats that didn't have much leverage. They were always unlikely to go back to college after being drafted....and if I recall, Misner signed last minute too. I guess we will eventually find out once he signs, but Fulton very likely needed to be paid over slot to not attend Oklahoma.

[rmc523]

Don't forget owners have also asked for NO draft pick comp for FA and Miami has lots of $$$ to spend!!!![/B]

I'm not believing this until I see it - especially with things like revenue sharing being thrown out the window this season.

That's assuming the money saved will be necessary to sign Fulton.

Last year we got a guy who was asking for big money, had Scott Boras as his agent, and still managed to pick up 2 highly touted high schoolers and a big time college bat who fell in the 1st round all in the 1st 5 rounds.

Don't those exact facts disprove that the Meyer signing was about money?

[Nick]

Don't those exact facts disprove that the Meyer signing was about money?

You would hope so, but a lot has changed since the 2019 Draft, especially when it comes to the finances of a major league baseball team.

[fauowls44]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Svihlik says all the Miami Marlins draft picks are essentially signed. All six picks.
1:25 PM · Jun 12, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[Lee Stone]

That's assuming the money saved will be necessary to sign Fulton.

Last year we got a guy who was asking for big money, had Scott Boras as his agent, and still managed to pick up 2 highly touted high schoolers and a big time college bat who fell in the 1st round all in the 1st 5 rounds.

What am I missing? Why would a team go over slot value to sign a player who had TJS last September? There's a good chance that Fulton will retain his skills when he returns in 2021, but some realistic doubt as well. 21% of TJS recipients do not bounce back from it.

More here: https://tht.fangraphs.com/tommy-john...in-the-majors/

[sports24/7]

The good news is, if Stan Meek we’re still running our drafts, Dax Fulton probably would have been their first round pick.

[Nick]

What am I missing? Why would a team go over slot value to sign a player who had TJS last September? There's a good chance that Fulton will retain his skills when he returns in 2021, but some realistic doubt as well. 21% of TJS recipients do not bounce back from it.

More here: https://tht.fangraphs.com/tommy-john...in-the-majors/

I agree, it'll be interesting to see what we gave him.

[Lee Stone]

Lacy then five more pitchers would be my preference. Pitchers can be developed w/o the benefit of minor league competition moreso than position players/hitters. I'd have no objection to adding a catching prospect or even two if they are outstanding athletes with very strong hit tool.

Why is Lacy a huge get? Take a look at premium LH starting pitchers in the NL East. Corbin in Washington and Max Fried in Atlanta. That's it.

When I put on my glasses and read everything about Meyer, I find consolation. Not only was he incredible in his four spring starts, he accomplished that against the likes of Oregon, Utah, North Carolina, and TCU. Over his last three starts, he whiffed 39! So once I get over my feelings being hurt, I'll see that Ben Meyer's little brother is pretty darn promising.

[tjfla]

I agree, it'll be interesting to see what we gave him.

Its OVER slot. They saved cash on Meyer and maybe Hurt plus they had another 500k for the 5% Overage

Because if he hadnt had TJS he would have been in the 10-20 Range and even with it was the Best LH HS P. Let him recover and June 2021 he is ready to go in GCL or even SS(if they have 1)-take a chance its not like we dont have pitching if he doesn't work out BUT if he does u got a #2/3 SP. Washington did this Giolito and has happened plenty over the years

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tj, you're doing that thing again where you list off a string of obscure marlins minor leaguers and act like they are prospects.

U are doing that thing again and reading my posts. They ALL have talent what does it matter if they are elite

[tjfla]

Yes. Hardly any of the Jacksonville, Jupiter or Clinton position players are prospects at all. In reality, we have practically nothing but vacancies all over those fields.

P.S. I know you and I were huge Lacy advocates (having watched him). I'm kind of speechless still.

Vacancies? Assume the season was played OK?

Jacksonville
C-Fortes
1B-Alonso
2B-Mahan
SS-Brigman/Sims
3B-Dunand
LF-Jerar/Garrett
CF-VV
RF-Bleday

Jupiter
C-Banfield
1B-Edwards
2B-Torres
SS-Devers
3B-Ready/Rivera
LF-Burdick/Pompey
CF-Scott
RF-Misner/Thomas Jones

Clinton
C-Barstad/Skelton
1B-Reynolds/Infante
2B-Dalvy
SS-Nunez
3B-Osiris
LF-Mesa JR/Bradshaw
CF-JD Orr/Milton Smith
RF-Johnston/Hampton

Not counting about 30 others in DSL/backups who could be put on ANY of these teams. These kids have to play in order to get better-are they all Top 30 prospect NO but lots of solid guys who could become something. They could use C/3B in the system but rest is good depth wise

Be interesting to see what they do with minors and prospects next year. Still think its gonna look like this for 2021

AAA-Wichita or Charlotte
AA-Jax
Hi A-Jupiter
SS-Some team in NC/SC/GA/MS
Rookie-GCL
Rookie-DSL

Which means even more of a bat crunch as NO Low A team and the SS not starting till June

[Lee Stone]

Draft question. In the 4th round Marlins took Jake Eder over Vandy teammate Mason Hickman, who lasted well into the 5th. Here's the Vandy stat sheet from the abbreviated 2020 season. By the numbers, Hickman was vastly better ... even better than Jack Leiter and Kummar Rocker. https://vucommodores.com/wp-content/...ts-3.11.20.pdf

add on: In researching this, Hickman was regarded as a marginal prospect based on lack of velocity alone.