2012 MLB Season Game Thread: September

[nny]

This thread is starting to make me sad

[Bobbob1313]

His numbers increase in those situations, though (unlike Trout). He doesn't post 1.302 OPSes for a full season.

His numbers have increased this season, in ~50 plate appearances. In other seasons, they have decreased. On the whole, in his career, they are roughly the same as his numbers in all other instances, because these things almost always level out over large enough sample sizes.

It is not a skill, it is the result of having a few extra good plate appearances in a sample of 50. I'm not going to give someone the MVP award because of a cherry-picked small sample.

[Valid]

His numbers have increased this season, in ~50 plate appearances. In other seasons, they have decreased. On the whole, in his career, they are roughly the same as his numbers in all other instances, because these things almost always level out over large enough sample sizes.

It is not a skill, it is the result of having a few extra good plate appearances in a sample of 50. I'm not going to give someone the MVP award because of a cherry-picked small sample.

Cabrera's career OPS is .957. His career OPS in high leverage situations is 1.016. Tell me how his numbers decrease in those spots again?

EDIT: Ah. I see you were just pointing out other individual seasons. Sorry.
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This thread is starting to make me sad

Sorry. It's just stupid to think that pressure doesn't exist in the majors.

[Bobbob1313]

Cabrera's career OPS is .957. His career OPS in high leverage situations is 1.016. Tell me how his numbers decrease in those spots again?

Ehe, solid reading. Show me where I said his numbers decrease for his career in those spots again?

I said, in some other seasons, his numbers in those situations have decreased. I didn't say 'HE IS WORSE ALL OF THE TIME IN EVERY OTHER SEASON'. Don't be a condescending asshole if you're not going to read what I write.

[Valid]

Ehe.

Don't be a condescending asshole without reading what I write either, because I edited the post.

And bobbob of all people to talk about condescending assholes. ehaheaheah

[Bobbob1313]

Wow, you're really dumb.

[nny]

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, the question is does it affect them. It's not something that affects most players (Ankiel is an extreme example of it affecting someone to the point of a mental disorder), especially top-tier.

And if you could provide an example of someone who could not be a closer because pressure affected them, I'll give you a cookie (Maybe)

[Valid]

Wow, you're really dumb.

EHEHAEHAEHAHEHHAEHAEAEH

[Bobbob1313]

I mean, you edited something while I was typing and then tried to do a thing where you got mad at me because I didn't read what you edited while I was typing. Do you not see how you are a dumb person?

[Valid]

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, the question is does it affect them. It's not something that affects most players (Ankiel is an extreme example of it affecting someone to the point of a mental disorder), especially top-tier.

And if you could provide an example of someone who could not be a closer because pressure affected them, I'll give you a cookie (Maybe)

Plenty of relievers have even said that those last three outs are entirely different.

I think Scott Proctor is a perfect example. Guy was a solid reliever, but when the Yankees put him in the closer role back in '06, he blew seven of his eight opportunities. You can't tell me that that's not pressure getting to you.
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I mean, you edited something while I was typing and then tried to do a thing where you got mad at me because I didn't read what you edited while I was typing. Do you not see how you are a dumb person?

Well I mean, I edited the post at 12:35. You made the post at 12:39. If it takes you that long to write out a short post, then okay, I guess.

You really are just an asshole, though.

[Bobbob1313]

Nobody is disputing me being an asshole. That's not what is on trial here.
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[nny]

I think Scott Proctor is a perfect example. Guy was a solid reliever, but when the Yankees put him in the closer role back in '06, he blew seven of his eight opportunities. You can't tell me that that's not pressure getting to you.

Actually I can, as his base numbers were very similar, he just had bad luck.

And then in 2007, he was actually BETTER in save situations than in non save situations. How does that work out if pressure was the reason?

[Ramp]

kids (not nny)... let's not ruin a fun debate
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also, I don't think batting with the bases loaded, down 3 in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs in May is any different than that situation in late September being a game out of the wild card

[Bobbob1313]

I do think there is value in producing in higher leverage situations, obviously, but I simply don't think Cabrera's lead in those small samples makes up the huge gap between the rest of their performance.

[Erick]

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I think Scott Proctor is a perfect example. Guy was a solid reliever, but when the Yankees put him in the closer role back in '06, he blew seven of his eight opportunities. You can't tell me that that's not pressure getting to you.
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1. I highly doubt that's what happened. Managers wouldn't let a guy blow 7 of 8 opportunities. You're likely misinterpreting the stat. Middle relievers don't get saves but get credited for blown saves just like closers. A lot of his blown saves probably came in middle relief, no?

2. A lot of times the fan blames this on a player not being able to handle pressure, but there are other more legit reasons. Small samples and manager usage are a couple. Middle relievers are matched up by managers; closers are not. A lot of relievers have platoon problems. It's the reason why you rarely ever see left-handed closers. Cishek will likely have a problem with the role long-term if he doesn't get his issues against left-handed hitters fixed. Managers have a "he's our guy" mentality with closers that they don't have with middle relievers.