Greinke

[Miamarlin21]

So I was reading on rotoworld that the Royals are going to listen to every offer for their ace. Anyone interested? I think he'd thrive here. He hates big places where he's in the spotlight (New York, Boston, or even LA) so the Marlins would be the perfect spot for him.

I wish there could be a way around not trading Stanton or Logan for him but that's a dream world so I guess maybe a package of Logan, Volstad,Ozzy, and Cousins?

[MiamiHomer]

Chris Volstad for Grienke would be too much.

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

Highly doubt we'd ever go after him. He's due $13.5 million next year. Why would we trade two projected starters making the major league minimum (Logan and Volstad) for a guy who projects to make more than Ricky?

[FishFanInPA]

Chris Seddon for Greinke.

[Jay]

So I was reading on rotoworld that the Royals are going to listen to every offer for their ace. Anyone interested? I think he'd thrive here. He hates big places where he's in the spotlight (New York, Boston, or even LA) so the Marlins would be the perfect spot for him.

I wish there could be a way around not trading Stanton or Logan for him but that's a dream world so I guess maybe a package of Logan, Volstad,Ozzy, and Cousins?

Remove Logan from that and throw in Elih and I would be all over this. I'm a huge fan of Greinke but based on his performance you can't expect his 2009 numbers which is why you don't ship out Logan.

[HUGG]

Volstad, Elih, Ozzy and Cousins for Greinke?

Why in the hell would Kansas City do that? That's terrible.

[jOOj]

They won't trade him.

[Metes]

Pretty much including Volstad in any trade rumor instantly guarantees it would never happen

[Miamarlin21]

lol someone on another site put; "i think a package maybe like gaby, peterson, and miller should get the job done and maybe include maybin while he still has value"

lol. I feel bad for him.

[Beef]

I enjoyed the guy on here that said take out the Major Leaguer and put in a Minor Leaguer

[Swifty]

Highly doubt we'd ever go after him. He's due $13.5 million next year. Why would we trade two projected starters making the major league minimum (Logan and Volstad) for a guy who projects to make more than Ricky?

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Remove Logan from that and throw in Elih and I would be all over this. I'm a huge fan of Greinke but based on his performance you can't expect his 2009 numbers which is why you don't ship out Logan.

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[THE_REAL_MIBS]

ehe

My comment has nothing to do with Volstad. I would say the same thing if the two projected starters were Logan and pick any of the guys making major league minimum that's projected to start next year. Do you really think that this team would dump two guys that they don't have to pay for so they can add $13.5 million in payroll? And that's on top of trying to resign Ricky and Uggla? That's what I meant.

[Jay]

Volstad, Elih, Ozzy and Cousins for Greinke?

Why in the hell would Kansas City do that? That's terrible.

The point is you do not necessarily need to gain Greinke as the Marlins and if your offering a package, your not looking to offer a part that comes to use on your team.

Greinke has a 3.6 WARP this year. His past 3-years have been very inconsistent so that 9.9 he posted in '09 probably won't happen again and he is will probably close to that 5.2 he posted in '08 than his '09 and '10. So you probably pencil him in with a 5 WARP.

Volstad posted a 1.9 WARP this year. At this point in his career you can probably pencil him in for around a 2. He would be the immediate replacement for Greinke from a KC pov. This means your looking at probably 3 wins a season unless one of those players improves or regresses drastically.

So in a Volstad for Greinke swap your looking at the marlins gaining 3 wins and the royals gaining a lot of spending money and losing 3 more games. Now it really depends on how kansas city values the rest of the players in the deal and how much they need to dump salary. If they value those prospects and cash more than 3 wins, it is a fair trade.

Personally I don't think that those players I stated add up to 3 wins but I am not the one making the trade. My point here is you don't just throw Stanton or Morrison in there because they are major league ready and fill holes on the team. Stanton and Morrison had a 2.5 and 1.5 WARP respectively. Adding Morrison to a deal for Greinke alone probably means a fair trade. So sure trade Morrison and Volstad and a 4th outfielder type for Greinke.

But now it comes down to fielding the best possible team next year in the Marlins case. The team is just not built for a good defense team. Sure you can fill every position with good defenders except for Uggla and Hanley and your middle infield is still weak defensively and they are demanding positions. This means that the team would need to see drastic changes in the lineup to make moving to a defense oriented team make sense. These changes most likely will not be made.

So now that its pretty much impossible to move this team to an above average defensively team without completely overhauling the roster, you don't have to focus strictly on stacking your pitching staff so the benefits are maximized. So their is no extra benefit from not having a balanced roster.

It honestly just doesn't make sense so if your willing to pay him, yeah throw a low-ball offer out and if it starts discussions good but if not who cares. But when your actually losing value and money when making a trade that includes Volstad and Morrison.

[Metes]

So you're sayin it's a little silly?

[HUGG]

So, your point is we don't really need him, so we should waste the Royals time with an insulting offer for him.

Why not just not try to get him then?
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I mean, your offer is a #4 SP (at best) who has been sent to AAA each of the last 2 years, a AA SP who really no one thinks that highly of outside of a couple posters on this board and his AA coaching staff, a utility infield prospect and a 4th OF prospect.