August 2019 Game Thread

[tjfla]

I agreed he should get a look but he is NOT the C of future. 3rd C in AAA YES!!!

Austin Dean might be a AAA All Star for 10 years but fact until he shows some power he won't be in ML. He is trying this year to play 1B but still is below average defense all over.

Guys are in AAA for a reason

[Todd]

...Will Smith also just turned 24.

I bet if you existed inside the movie The Rookie, you would have had the old teacher played by Dennis Quaid as the Rays #4 prospect.

[Nick]

His age doesn't bother me at all. He appears to be coming into his own and minimum wage for his age 28-31 years would sit nicely on team payroll. Super prospect Will Smith of the Dodgers has gone nuts since joining the big league team from the PCL, where Heineman has posted even better numbers than Smith (per OPS). The point here is that Heineman is likely the most major league ready player in the minor league system - and the Marlins got him for nothing.

You don't say. I've watched a little more of Heineman, he's definitely not "Great" defensively. I haven't seen enough to say he's bad defensively either, though. He's not going to get a shot to be anyone's "catcher of the future" because of his age, it doesn't matter to you, but guess what it matters to everyone else. Including the guys actually making these roster decisions. I hope he gets a look in September, he's at least earned that, and hell a lefty-hitting catcher who can handle the bat would be useful on any major league team's bench.

As far as Austin Dean goes, I don't see why he couldn't match what Harold Ramirez has done at the major league level so far, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't so far. I'd like to see him get some every day PT to see what he can do, which I think he hasn't fully gotten that every day PT at the major league level and maybe that is the difference for him.

[fauowls44]

You don't say. I've watched a little more of Heineman, he's definitely not "Great" defensively. I haven't seen enough to say he's bad defensively either, though. He's not going to get a shot to be anyone's "catcher of the future" because of his age, it doesn't matter to you, but guess what it matters to everyone else. Including the guys actually making these roster decisions. I hope he gets a look in December, he's at least earned that, and hell a lefty-hitting catcher who can handle the bat would be useful on any major league team's bench.

As far as Austin Dean goes, I don't see why he couldn't match what Harold Ramirez has done at the major league level so far, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't so far. I'd like to see him get some every day PT to see what he can do, which I think he hasn't fully gotten that every day PT at the major league level and maybe that is the difference for him.

With the Anderson injury, I’m hoping that the plan is to finally give Dean consistent paying time. Just give him 150-200 at bats to end the year and see if he can figure it out at this level.

[Lee Stone]

Tampa Bay management=shrewd. Since joining Rays, Nick Anderson 9 2/3 IP 4 hits 0 walks 0 runs 18 K. Trevor Richards starts vs Baltimore and wins last night. 6 IP 2 hits 1 walk 5 K and 0 runs.

Most of this forum seemed pleased to get a prospect like Jesus Sanchez, but Tampa Bay had been shopping him around.

[Nick]

Tampa Bay management=shrewd. Since joining Rays, Nick Anderson 9 2/3 IP 4 hits 0 walks 0 runs 18 K. Trevor Richards starts vs Baltimore and wins last night. 6 IP 2 hits 1 walk 5 K and 0 runs.

Most of this forum seemed pleased to get a prospect like Jesus Sanchez, but Tampa Bay had been shopping him around.

YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE OVERREACTING TO VERY EARLY RESULTS COULD YOU?? THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD DO, RIGHT??

[Namaste]

Lee, I don’t think we can take too much away from a “good” Trevor Richards start when he pitches against the Orioles.

[dim]

Also Jesus Sanchez is 21 years old in AAA. He could tank for two straight seasons and he'd be on track for when most legit prospects get a look at the MLB. Not to mention he has close to an .800 OPS, which is good.

Richards also went barely over 3 innings his first appearance, so it's wait and see with him.

Same goes for Zac Gallen, who looks great with 15 IP and 3 ER allowed...until you realize he's allowed 10 walks and 25 baserunners during that time, so things are bound to even out.

Almost like we won't know how this trade is until 2 or 3 years from now if not longer.

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Nick Anderson has been stupid good though. I'm not going to argue that. I don't know where he came from but he's been borderline dominant for most of the year.

[Maddawg]

Sustained success is the only answer I have for improving attendance, because it's the one thing that hasn't happened in the history of the franchise.

This is going to be very true, but to get some free agents to buy in, is going to cost you a LOT. FA that have a choice will put the Marlins last on their prefered list. I know there have been those that just refuse to believe this, but players don't just care about the money, they also care about winning.

That's why all the talk on Rendon I think is rather silly. It's a pipe dream. People here talk like it will just simply happen. Rendon has Boras as his agent, that is strike #1 against this happening, strike #2 we have lousy reputation as a franchise. Strike #3 there will be a bit of a bidding war for his services.

The last one will be the killer. Do you really think this guy will sign for less than 5 years $180 million ? Are Sherman and Jeter confident enough in what they are building to commit to that kind of contract ?

We may be better in 2021 but will we contend and does Rendon want to come to a team that is emerging from a rebuild where there will still be uncertainty with not only having a winning record much less having a playoff run and even less certainty for a chance at a championship ? Then you will need to pay a premium for him to sacrifice to do that, and that and Boras working for him, will drive that price sky high.

They will have to throw "Stupid Money" as the Phillies owner said this past off season, to attract a lot of guys. Yes our state income tax situation makes us more attractive, but that is really the ONLY thing right now. And did that keep Yelich or Realmuto from asking for trades ?

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What genius came up with this black and white uniforms idea?

Some marketing guy/gal. It's a gimmick and some fools will buy into it.

[Nick]

This is going to be very true, but to get some free agents to buy in, is going to cost you a LOT. FA that have a choice will put the Marlins last on their prefered list. I know there have been those that just refuse to believe this, but players don't just care about the money, they also care about winning.

That's why all the talk on Rendon I think is rather silly. It's a pipe dream. People here talk like it will just simply happen. Rendon has Boras as his agent, that is strike #1 against this happening, strike #2 we have lousy reputation as a franchise. Strike #3 there will be a bit of a bidding war for his services.

The last one will be the killer. Do you really think this guy will sign for less than 5 years $180 million ? Are Sherman and Jeter confident enough in what they are building to commit to that kind of contract ?

We may be better in 2021 but will we contend and does Rendon want to come to a team that is emerging from a rebuild where there will still be uncertainty with not only having a winning record much less having a playoff run and even less certainty for a chance at a championship ? Then you will need to pay a premium for him to sacrifice to do that, and that and Boras working for him, will drive that price sky high.

They will have to throw "Stupid Money" as the Phillies owner said this past off season, to attract a lot of guys. Yes our state income tax situation makes us more attractive, but that is really the ONLY thing right now. And did that keep Yelich or Realmuto from asking for trades ?

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Some marketing guy/gal. It's a gimmick and some fools will buy into it.

Boras didn't stop us from drafting Bleday this summer. Yeah it's going to take a lot of money, but if there's one thing this FO has done is make this a ridiculously cheap roster for the next couple of years. They should have the money to spend, that's the big question that's left to be answered. How much money are they going to be willing to spend on payroll on a yearly basis? You don't know the answer to that, and I don't either. If they're willing to even have just a below average major league payroll then they have the money to make a Rendon or Cole deal happen IMO. If they're just going to have a bottom 5 payroll every year then it's not going happen. The bad reputation is almost exclusively Loria's, most of the talk around baseball for the past couple of months has been about what a good job our FO is doing rebuilding the farm system, players hear these things, maybe the narrative is changing. I don't think anyone here has talked about signing Cole or Rendon as a foregone conclusion, but I think it's a pivotal step in the FO proving itself and validating the expectation that they've been putting out there that we'll be able to compete by 2021.

[Maddawg]

Boras didn't stop us from drafting Bleday this summer. Yeah it's going to take a lot of money, but if there's one thing this FO has done is make this a ridiculously cheap roster for the next couple of years. They should have the money to spend, that's the big question that's left to be answered. How much money are they going to be willing to spend on payroll on a yearly basis? You don't know the answer to that, and I don't either. If they're willing to even have just a below average major league payroll then they have the money to make a Rendon or Cole deal happen IMO. If they're just going to have a bottom 5 payroll every year then it's not going happen. The bad reputation is almost exclusively Loria's, most of the talk around baseball for the past couple of months has been about what a good job our FO is doing rebuilding the farm system, players hear these things, maybe the narrative is changing. I don't think anyone here has talked about signing Cole or Rendon as a foregone conclusion, but I think it's a pivotal step in the FO proving itself and validating the expectation that they've been putting out there that we'll be able to compete by 2021.

Dealing with Boras as a draftday agent and then as a 1st big contract agent I think are two different animals. With Bleday (and remember it took a couple of weeks extra to get him signed than most of our other draft choices) you probably have at least 5 or 6 years before having to deal with Boras again. People are assuming just because there are some opinions we have a top 10 farm now, this doesn't mean it will pan out that way. We will need some luck to go our way too.

Are we better off than under Loria ? OH GOD YES ! Do we have a change at a brighter future YOU BET......but this FO still has a lot to prove and they have yet to put a MLB roster on the field that can win more than 65 games...

This offseason may be the most meaningful in the franchises history. It will decided a lot of things for the next almost decade.

[fish16]

ive had friends in town so im just sitting down and watching this phillies game now for the first time this weekend. Holy hell these uniforms are horrendous

[fish16]

Elieser with a good outing today. His advanced metrics dont look great at least heading into todays outing, but he clearly has MLB stuff. I'd really like to see him try to settle into being comfortable in a relief setting this winter. He seems like he has the stuff to be a really solid middle reliever, although he has been super prone to long balls.

Also, with september coming up, who do you guys hope to see called up? Not really many realistic options out of the rotation or in the lineup, but i think we have a lot of guys who id like to see come up and get some bullpen looks in september for next year. We have a lot of guys who have had good relief seasons in AA and AAA. Brett Graves, Dylan lee, Tyler Stevens, Eveld, maybe give castano a start or 2. Time to just let them show what they have so we can make some evaluations going forward for next year and beyond as our bullpen is essentially wide open. Id even consider rewarding Guzman with a start or 2 but only if he has to be added to the 40 man this offseason anyways, which im not sure about.


Our bullpen for next year is pretty much devoid of locks aside from maybe Jarlin, Elieser, and Stanek. They are going to need to sign 2 romo type guys in the offseason.


Also, on a random note, it sucks to see Anderson have to miss the rest of the year but he was really the only hitter aside from Cooper who really showed what they needed to show this year. He seems like a Mike Lowell lite type guy who we can plug in there for years at either RF or 3b and just get steady production. Don't know where his power was coming up through the system but he showed the power we were hoping to see this year. He seems like a great #6 hitter on a contender as just a steady contributor, although he will never be a star.

[Lee Stone]

Alex Vesia is a rapid riser in the bullpen. Check out his numbers at JUP and JAX this year.

[Nick]

Alex Vesia is a rapid riser in the bullpen. Check out his numbers at JUP and JAX this year.

Yep, I think good chance we see him in the big leagues at some point next year.