August 2019 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

At the time of the Ozuna and Yelich trades, I disliked the former deal. Ozuna was simply a great guy in addition to having just had a phenomenal season. I saw nothing whatever in Alcantara, Sierra, Gallen and Castano. I thought Flanagan or Weaver and Carson Kelly were what we should have been after. I was both wrong and right. Gallen and Castano (yep, I believe in a small sample when it's most recent and spinning in the right direction) have been beyond my expectations. Sierra is ordinary and I still don't know what to make of Alcantara. On the other hand, look at those guys I coveted.

The Yelich deal was wonderful in my eyes. Didn't care for Brinson (and neither did MILW after his brief call up with them) but loved Harrison and liked both Diaz and Yamamoto. At the time, I felt confident that Harrison alone would make us forget about Yelich. I am frankly a little negative on Yamamoto now that he has reached the show and Harrison? I choose to hold out hope. Yelich? You're a wizard if you saw his blossoming with the Brewers. All the sudden, instead of hitting grounders all the time (many, many into double plays) he started lifting fly balls for doubles and homers. Where did that come from??

The Stanton trade I loved was never made and the offer came at the deadline before he got the ridiculous contract. Stanton, Cishek and Ruggiano for G Cole, S Marte and Jameson Taillon. Still have no idea how the Marlins didn't sign up for that. Once the contract was signed, he had to be moved. My only problem with handing over $30M to Yanks was that it was actualy more like $50M due to Castro's salary for two years. The team should have found a third team to take Castro before the deal with NY was signed.

[Namaste]

It needs to be reiterated that Gallen’s ERA is substantially better than his FIP and xFIP.

And these trades are REAL hard to evaluate when one guy is succeeding in the majors and the other guy is a kid in the minors.

Put me in the camp that thinks we win the Jazz for Gallen trade.

[Lee Stone]

It needs to be reiterated that Gallen’s ERA is substantially better than his FIP and xFIP.

And these trades are REAL hard to evaluate when one guy is succeeding in the majors and the other guy is a kid in the minors.

Put me in the camp that thinks we win the Jazz for Gallen trade.

Don't get me wrong, I've been all in on Chisholm for the last year and still am. Just would have liked to substitute someone else for Gallen.

[tjfla]

At the time of the Ozuna and Yelich trades, I disliked the former deal. Ozuna was simply a great guy in addition to having just had a phenomenal season. I saw nothing whatever in Alcantara, Sierra, Gallen and Castano. I thought Flanagan or Weaver and Carson Kelly were what we should have been after. I was both wrong and right. Gallen and Castano (yep, I believe in a small sample when it's most recent and spinning in the right direction) have been beyond my expectations. Sierra is ordinary and I still don't know what to make of Alcantara. On the other hand, look at those guys I coveted.

The Yelich deal was wonderful in my eyes. Didn't care for Brinson (and neither did MILW after his brief call up with them) but loved Harrison and liked both Diaz and Yamamoto. At the time, I felt confident that Harrison alone would make us forget about Yelich. I am frankly a little negative on Yamamoto now that he has reached the show and Harrison? I choose to hold out hope. Yelich? You're a wizard if you saw his blossoming with the Brewers. All the sudden, instead of hitting grounders all the time (many, many into double plays) he started lifting fly balls for doubles and homers. Where did that come from??

The Stanton trade I loved was never made and the offer came at the deadline before he got the ridiculous contract. Stanton, Cishek and Ruggiano for G Cole, S Marte and Jameson Taillon. Still have no idea how the Marlins didn't sign up for that. Once the contract was signed, he had to be moved. My only problem with handing over $30M to Yanks was that it was actualy more like $50M due to Castro's salary for two years. The team should have found a third team to take Castro before the deal with NY was signed.

Who the hell is Flanagan? They actually tried to get Luke Weaver but were turned down and Mike Hill loved Dakota Hudson/. Denbo and his people loved Sandy however

Why would we ask for Carson Kelly? We have a C already in JT Realmuto o wait nevermind

[Lee Stone]

Was referring to Flaherty ... don't know where Flanagan came from.

[lou]

It needs to be reiterated that Gallen’s ERA is substantially better than his FIP and xFIP.

And these trades are REAL hard to evaluate when one guy is succeeding in the majors and the other guy is a kid in the minors.

Put me in the camp that thinks we win the Jazz for Gallen trade.

It does seem like a what have you done for me lately move. Gallen has certainly improved, but that .247 BABIP, 3.46 FIP, 4.34 xFIP, and 33% GB rate speaks for itself. I think he might be a pretty good 3/4 for a long time, but I think you keep swinging for the fences with guys who could be monsters. I'm not going to be upset on this one even if Jazz bombs. This is a good one on paper and I can appreciate that thought process.

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I would have preferred to part with Caleb or Sandy in that deal, although Arizona apparently insisted on Gallen.

I actually think the opposite and Gallen was the one you do trade. Caleb is a lefty. They need those. Sandy's stock has to be down a little right now even if he is doing "OK." Pablo, Neidert, and Urena are/were hurt. Sixto, Cabrera, Rogers, and Garrett are ascending so they may not have maximized any value. Guzman, Holloway, and Stewart are struggling and likely relievers so you wouldn't be selling big on them. Elisier and Richards are more of unknowns with some positives and negatives.

And then we are at Gallen, who had risen dramatically very fast. We always bitch about the Marlins not trading guys at the right time, but this could really end up being a total sell-high. And that's not meant to say Gallen stinks, but his AAA numbers and initial MLB time has been impressive and maybe that hype gets you something extra. Which I think it did.

Likewise, they were very opportunistic with getting Sanchez/Stanek for Anderson/Richards. I think they really knocked this out of the park on paper. The only major blemish is still Yelich which made no sense at the time of trade, and then Yelich got better which just makes it horrible.

But, if they sign Rendon or Cole for 7/$225, all will be forgiven quickly.

[tjfla]

It does seem like a what have you done for me lately move. Gallen has certainly improved, but that .247 BABIP, 3.46 FIP, 4.34 xFIP, and 33% GB rate speaks for itself. I think he might be a pretty good 3/4 for a long time, but I think you keep swinging for the fences with guys who could be monsters. I'm not going to be upset on this one even if Jazz bombs. This is a good one on paper and I can appreciate that thought process.

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I actually think the opposite and Gallen was the one you do trade. Caleb is a lefty. They need those. Sandy's stock has to be down a little right now even if he is doing "OK." Pablo, Neidert, and Urena are/were hurt. Sixto, Cabrera, Rogers, and Garrett are ascending so they may not have maximized any value. Guzman, Holloway, and Stewart are struggling and likely relievers so you wouldn't be selling big on them. Elisier and Richards are more of unknowns with some positives and negatives.

And then we are at Gallen, who had risen dramatically very fast. We always bitch about the Marlins not trading guys at the right time, but this could really end up being a total sell-high. And that's not meant to say Gallen stinks, but his AAA numbers and initial MLB time has been impressive and maybe that hype gets you something extra. Which I think it did.

Likewise, they were very opportunistic with getting Sanchez/Stanek for Anderson/Richards. I think they really knocked this out of the park on paper. The only major blemish is still Yelich which made no sense at the time of trade, and then Yelich got better which just makes it horrible.

But, if they sign Rendon or Cole for 7/$225, all will be forgiven quickly.

Yep Gallen went from being a #5 SP to getting us our future ML SS.

Sixto
Neidert
Cabrera
Rogers
Garrett

all are ready by 2021 and are as good or even better as Gallen plus u can spend some cash on a vet SP

I really wish they would start moving Guzman/Holloway to RP now and Stewart if he has struggles 1st half of next year. My worry with Guzman is they are gonna keep him in AAA as 8th SP when he could be up in the ML pen for years

I am with u on the Rendon thing. Break the bank for him and put BA in RF until July(after trades and young guys are up) then he becomes RHB at 1B,2B,3B,LF,RF. Still plays daily just different positions and is a RHB

Rendon break bank(cost pick)
Solid FA pitcher nothing special

[Nick]

Guzman may have bought himself some more time at SP with his last two starts at Jacksonville.

[lou]

I am with u on the Rendon thing. Break the bank for him and put BA in RF until July(after trades and young guys are up) then he becomes RHB at 1B,2B,3B,LF,RF. Still plays daily just different positions and is a RHB

Rendon break bank(cost pick)
Solid FA pitcher nothing special

I wouldn't sign the SP, and would keep Rojas, Urena, Conley, and sign 2-3 Neil Walker/Sergio Romos for 2020, but that's splitting hairs. They could sign sign a SP if needed in 2021/2022.

I'd also buyout Anderson for like 5/$35 and get a 6th year option.

Rendon, Anderson, Monte, VVM, Cooper, and Alfaro are your right handers. Lewin, Isan, Jazz, Bleday, and Sanchez are your left handers. Get a left handed backup catcher and a right handed backup SS and call it a day.

Alfaro, "Lefty"
Lewin/Cooper (Anderson)
Isan (Anderson, "Righty 2B/SS")
Jazz, "Righty 2B/SS"
Rendon (Anderson)
Bleday/Sanchez (Anderson, Cooper)
Monte, VVM
Sanchez/Anderson (Cooper)

Minors - Scott, Misner, Nunez, Devers, Banfield, Osiris, Salas

Totally love that team on paper, with the ability to sign another SP, and trade a younger one Gallen-style, for a better CF if those two don't make it (or whatever other position doesn't make it).

Also, DH is probably coming in 3 years(?) to the NL, so you have a natural move for Rendon/Sanchez/Bleday if Anderson proves to be better defensively. Which I find likely.

[tjfla]

2020 Draft is gonna tell alot about the future thoughts

Top 3 are

College SP
College 1B/RF/DH
College 3B/SS

#3 I would take whoever is left but at #4 I would see who #5-10 Ranked who gives us a good deal and go crazy later in draft

Doubt Miami gets to pick what they want(#3 or 4 pick) but tons more college SP and 1B/OF type bats at top of draft college and HS. Long as NO HS SP I doubt we would be mad plus Yiddi Cappe (3B) in IFA

[lou]

2020 Draft is gonna tell alot about the future thoughts

Top 3 are

College SP
College 1B/RF/DH
College 3B/SS

#3 I would take whoever is left but at #4 I would see who #5-10 Ranked who gives us a good deal and go crazy later in draft

Doubt Miami gets to pick what they want(#3 or 4 pick) but tons more college SP and 1B/OF type bats at top of draft college and HS. Long as NO HS SP I doubt we would be mad plus Yiddi Cappe (3B) in IFA

Is it? The answer is easy - BPA. It doesn't matter what position it is. The Marlins have hope everywhere in the farm these days (besides 3B, though maybe Osiris if he moves there and Anderson seems like he's going to be on the team for awhile), so they don't need to draft to cure an imbalance with bats versus pitchers (which was obviously 2019 - Bleday, Misner, Nunez, Jazz, Sanchez, Diaz, and Salas).

BPA. End of story.I'm sure a lot will change by next summer also so I don't think you need to think about the draft only having 3 top end guys. Something will change.

[fish16]

Is it? The answer is easy - BPA. It doesn't matter what position it is. The Marlins have hope everywhere in the farm these days (besides 3B, though maybe Osiris if he moves there and Anderson seems like he's going to be on the team for awhile), so they don't need to draft to cure an imbalance with bats versus pitchers (which was obviously 2019 - Bleday, Misner, Nunez, Jazz, Sanchez, Diaz, and Salas).

BPA. End of story.I'm sure a lot will change by next summer also so I don't think you need to think about the draft only having 3 top end guys. Something will change.

this. even if we had clear holes, always go BPA in the draft.

[Namaste]

Yamamoto and his .208 BABIP tonight vs LAD.

[fish16]

Yamamoto and his .208 BABIP tonight vs LAD.

if you look up regressing to the mean its just a picture of yamamoto at this point. He still might be a decent back end of the rotation guy moving forward, but we all recognized these struggles were about to come a few weeks ago.

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dustin may's hair is remarkable. He would be a nothing prospect with normal hair. With this hair he is a top prospect.

[Nick]

I liked this guy better when he was pulling funny props out of a big chest.