July 2019 Game Thread

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Wow did not realize Jarlin Garcia had become a legit bullpen weapon. Good stuff. I also used to hype up Brice a lot back in the day so it's nice to finally see him figuring it all out.

It is funny to think that if this rotation/bullpen existed in 2017 the Marlins would've been a playoff team, but it kind of took getting rid of that team to get that rotation in the first place (although the Marlins had it with other players, but that is a different discussion altogether).

[tjfla]

Few trade notes

Marlins called on Addison Russell but were far apart in talks. Still could happen but unlikely-Marlins were offering Noesi,Poteet,RP types while Cubs wanted more

I know I know NONE of these guys have value but the asking price for Castro(with cash),Prado(with cash),Walker,Romo,Grandy,Conley is same as Maybin LY. Mid to low level prospect and IFA cash but would probably take just IFA $. They prefer mid to low level guys who do NOT have to be on 40 man right away

Rojas,Brice and other RP cost more-have gotten hits on them all but NOT as top option

Caleb Smith is on the block but only for certain guys. Tucker,Frazier,Chavis are few names. Richards is out there and have gotten a few nice packages for him but Miami wants a ransom for him(almost as much as Caleb)

Miami IS looking for younger bats on the cheap(buy low). A name to watch is Nomar Mazara-Texas and Miami have talked some but havent been close yet. Miami isnt trading Caleb,Sandy for him but MAYBE Trevor Richards.

We will probably make a few smaller moves but as of now thats about it. Winter Meetings we will probably be alot more aggressive with SP

[lou]

Few trade notes

Marlins called on Addison Russell but were far apart in talks. Still could happen but unlikely-Marlins were offering Noesi,Poteet,RP types while Cubs wanted more

I know I know NONE of these guys have value but the asking price for Castro(with cash),Prado(with cash),Walker,Romo,Grandy,Conley is same as Maybin LY. Mid to low level prospect and IFA cash but would probably take just IFA

Rojas,Brice and other RP cost more

Caleb Smith is on the block but only for certain guys. Tucker,Frazier,Chavis are few names. Richards is out there and have gotten a few nice packages for him but Miami wants a ransom for him(almost as much as Caleb)

Miami IS looking for younger bats on the cheap(buy low)

We will probably make a few smaller moves but as of now thats about it.

Ignoring domestic abuse issues, Russell would be a fantastic on the field add with 2 years of control. He could really be a longterm solution. If those are the guys they are offering though, that's a joke. Russell is much better than that. Still, not sure you want to touch Russell at all with his past unless you are really confident he is a good person that has changed which is tough...

The rest of that seems obvious. I'm sure the Richards July 25th price is much different than July 31st price. No harm in keeping him at all.

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Somebody gonna bring up that Lee quote from yesterday again?

I think you just did.

Aug 1, 2020 is going to be Sixto, Caleb, Pablo, Gallen, and Sandy/Neidert, with a top 100 prospect E. Cabrera, maybe Garrett/Rogers, behind them for maybe 2021, and with Yamamoto, Dugger, etc. as depth in AAA as the have options. I'm not sure why Lee is complaining.

They need to spend on two major bats.

[fish16]

fuck addison russell. he's a piece of garbage.

Among Reidy’s accounts in the Expanded Roster interview was an incident on a team charter and multiple incidents involving enraged behavior around their son.

Among the excerpts:

[On his general impatience:] “He would just get more aggressive, cornering me by the wall, and yelling in my face while I’m holding Aiden, taking Aiden out of my arms. I’m not playing tug-of-war with my two-month-old baby…he’s screaming and he doesn’t even know how to calm him down. [Aiden] is scared. He feels that, babies feel tension.” Melisa remembers pleading with Russell to give him back until he finally relented.
[On an incident after she retreated to a room in the home “hoping he’d calm down”:] “He kicked the door down and ripped Aiden out of my arms. I’m following him, like…please give him to me, I’m nervous. I don’t think he’s going to hurt [Aiden] but he’s drunk,” Reidy explains. “Honestly I’ll never forget that. That feeling was like, you know when your dad yells at you when you’re a kid, and you’re like, “Fuck. I’m about to get a spanking.” It’s probably the scariest thing as a kid to feel. That’s basically what I can relate it to.”
[Same incident:] Reidy says Russell had their son in one arm, and grabbed the front of her shirt with the other, throwing her across the room and onto the ground. “I was this close to my head hitting the coffee table,”
[On a team charter families were invited on:] She was sitting with Aiden near the window when she says Russell came over, grabbed her leg, squeezed it, and started to whisper in her ear. “He was like, “If you don’t fucking act normal right now, I swear to god, I’m going to embarrass both of us on this plane. Do you really want that? Do you really want me to embarrass you in front of everybody? …Act fucking right, act like I’m your fucking husband. Treat me like I’m your husband,” Melisa says she asked him what he wanted her to do. His response? “He was like, talk to me. Turn around. Look at me. Sit closer.”
[On tackling incident:] One of the worst incidents that she remembers with Russell occurred after she went out for a “girls night” with a friend. Reidy says he came to find them and immediately said they were going home. Once in the cab, Russell was yelling at her (“in front of his friend and my friend and the taxi driver”) so she told the cab to stop and decided to get out and walk home. “I was crossing the street, I saw Addison coming out of the taxi. You know, you just know…he just starts running towards me,” Reidy says. Her fight or flight instinct kicked in and she took off running. “He slips…which pisses him off even more. I remember him gritting his teeth. I look back…and so I just try to run. And then everything kind of went sideways.”
[Same incident:] “He slammed me into concrete…like, football tackled me. His friend was there and Carlie was there and they watched it. I was down, he was on top of me, yelling in my ear, saying, “You like doing this to me. You push my buttons. Do you like it when I get like this? Do you like doing this? You like pushing me to the point where I have to act like this.”
[Same incident:] When he apologized, she says he told her, “I would never really hurt you, I just needed to get your attention because you weren’t listening to me.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/12...cubs-shortstop

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Few trade notes

Marlins called on Addison Russell but were far apart in talks. Still could happen but unlikely-Marlins were offering Noesi,Poteet,RP types while Cubs wanted more

I know I know NONE of these guys have value but the asking price for Castro(with cash),Prado(with cash),Walker,Romo,Grandy,Conley is same as Maybin LY. Mid to low level prospect and IFA cash but would probably take just IFA $. They prefer mid to low level guys who do NOT have to be on 40 man right away

Rojas,Brice and other RP cost more-have gotten hits on them all but NOT as top option

Caleb Smith is on the block but only for certain guys. Tucker,Frazier,Chavis are few names. Richards is out there and have gotten a few nice packages for him but Miami wants a ransom for him(almost as much as Caleb)

Miami IS looking for younger bats on the cheap(buy low). A name to watch is Nomar Mazara-Texas and Miami have talked some but havent been close yet. Miami isnt trading Caleb,Sandy for him but MAYBE Trevor Richards.

We will probably make a few smaller moves but as of now thats about it. Winter Meetings we will probably be alot more aggressive with SP

trading caleb smith for frazier would be a horrible move. Frazier is a guy you buy low on, you dont sell your current best asset for him. The yankees have 0 room for him on their roster or in their OF, and he isnt a good OF. Chavis also doesnt move the needle enough. Tucker you do it in a heartbeat. Otherwise you just keep smith for the time being.

[lou]

fuck addison russell. he's a piece of garbage.




https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/12...cubs-shortstop

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trading caleb smith for frazier would be a horrible move. Frazier is a guy you buy low on, you dont sell your current best asset for him. The yankees have 0 room for him on their roster or in their OF, and he isnt a good OF. Chavis also doesnt move the needle enough. Tucker you do it in a heartbeat. Otherwise you just keep smith for the time being.

I agree with you on Russell even if sadly he positionally is what they need.

I don't know what you're thinking about with Frazier though. Frazier is a really good young prospect. He can hit and he profiles as a good defender. FG this year:

Frazier suffered a vestibular concussion early during 2018 spring training and dealt with symptoms throughout that season, limiting him to 69 total games. So stubborn were Frazier’s issues that doctors felt compelled to get creative with his treatment, prescribing noise and other high-intensity activities, the antithesis of his initial treatment.
When he was healthy enough to be on the field before his symptoms returned, scouts saw tools befitting an everyday outfielder. Frazier still has electric bat speed and power, and he’s a plus runner once he reaches top speed. That speed makes him passable in center field (where I have him graded above) and above-average in a corner (where he may play this year). Reports on the hit tool vary, but that could be because Frazier’s symptoms, when resurgent, most impacted that aspect of his skillset. There’s some hit tool and, possibly, risk that these concussion symptoms are chronic, but I still have him projected as an everyday left fielder.

Also, the Yankees have room for him. They will let E5 walk and Stanton will DH with Frazier, Hicks, and Judge in the field. Andujar is at 3B, Voit 1B, and Torress/DJ up the middle. Also ignoring one of those guys is always hurt and they can move everyone around and they do have a Stanton opt-out risk.

He'd be great as a set and forget LF for years (he was a FV55 prospect, more than Bleday), and they could focus all money on Didi and a SP (Cole, Bumgarner, Wheeler, A. Wood, etc.) and run a payroll south of $75 million.

Caleb + Rojas (who they could use) for Frazier and a decent 2nd prospect and some Denbo favorites is probably a really good deal for Miami. And I like Smith A LOT. I'd just take the projectable bat and figure out how to get lefties later. And if all of Brinson, Monte, VVM, and Sierra work out, someone in baseball always needs an outfielder. I'm not holding my breath on that happening.

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I agree w/ you that Chavis is a NO and Tucker is a YES too, but those are more obvious.

[fish16]

I agree with you on Russell even if sadly he positionally is what they need.

I don't know what you're thinking about with Frazier though. Frazier is a really good young prospect. He can hit and he profiles as a good defender. FG this year:

Frazier suffered a vestibular concussion early during 2018 spring training and dealt with symptoms throughout that season, limiting him to 69 total games. So stubborn were Frazier’s issues that doctors felt compelled to get creative with his treatment, prescribing noise and other high-intensity activities, the antithesis of his initial treatment.
When he was healthy enough to be on the field before his symptoms returned, scouts saw tools befitting an everyday outfielder. Frazier still has electric bat speed and power, and he’s a plus runner once he reaches top speed. That speed makes him passable in center field (where I have him graded above) and above-average in a corner (where he may play this year). Reports on the hit tool vary, but that could be because Frazier’s symptoms, when resurgent, most impacted that aspect of his skillset. There’s some hit tool and, possibly, risk that these concussion symptoms are chronic, but I still have him projected as an everyday left fielder.

Also, the Yankees have room for him. They will let E5 walk and Stanton will DH with Frazier, Hicks, and Judge in the field. Andujar is at 3B, Voit 1B, and Torress/DJ up the middle. Also ignoring one of those guys is always hurt and they can move everyone around and they do have a Stanton opt-out risk.

He'd be great as a set and forget LF for years (he was a FV55 prospect, more than Bleday), and they could focus all money on Didi and a SP (Cole, Bumgarner, Wheeler, A. Wood, etc.) and run a payroll south of $75 million.

Caleb + Rojas (who they could use) for Frazier and a decent 2nd prospect and some Denbo favorites is probably a really good deal for Miami. And I like Smith A LOT. I'd just take the projectable bat and figure out how to get lefties later. And if all of Brinson, Monte, VVM, and Sierra work out, someone in baseball always needs an outfielder. I'm not holding my breath on that happening.

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I agree w/ you that Chavis is a NO and Tucker is a YES too, but those are more obvious.

I just think that you can get frazier for cheaper than smith. I admit i didnt do much research into his fielding but i remember reading stuff about him being a disaster in the OF but i could be wrong on that. I also dont know if they have much room for him in the OF and from what i recall there was talk about needing to move him to 1b because his defense was bad. Maybe they dont care and just want to keep stanton and judge healthy, i just feel like they want to get their moneys worth and not be DH'ing a superstar.

Agreed on Russell though, we dont need talent badly enough to put that guy on a major league roster.

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And frazier has also been injured each of the last 3 years, with last year having had significant concussion injuries. But ya he's a good player and ultimately i wouldnt be upset if they tried to get him, i just think you can get more for smith. Tucker is a guy id be all over. Hell i'd do Smith for Tucker straight up in a second. Throw in conley and see if they can get him to rebound.

[lou]

I just think that you can get frazier for cheaper than smith. I admit i didnt do much research into his fielding but i remember reading stuff about him being a disaster in the OF but i could be wrong on that. I also dont know if they have much room for him in the OF and from what i recall there was talk about needing to move him to 1b because his defense was bad. Maybe they dont care and just want to keep stanton and judge healthy, i just feel like they want to get their moneys worth and not be DH'ing a superstar.

Agreed on Russell though, we dont need talent badly enough to put that guy on a major league roster.

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And frazier has also been injured each of the last 3 years, with last year having had significant concussion injuries. But ya he's a good player and ultimately i wouldnt be upset if they tried to get him, i just think you can get more for smith. Tucker is a guy id be all over. Hell i'd do Smith for Tucker straight up in a second. Throw in conley and see if they can get him to rebound.

There are very, very, few guys you trade Caleb for, but he's probably one of them. That's all I'm saying. I do think NYY would need to chuck in a second valuable guy, but wouldn't need to be a marquee name. For Tucker, the Marlins would probably need to chuck in something else as he has less of an injury risk and more service time.

Anyways, we'll see what they do. I think a Caleb trade is pure 100% Marlins extortion and if the ransom is paid, cool. If not, looking forward to him in the rotation for years.

[fish16]

BBall america just updated their organizational rankings. Anyone have a subscription that can tell us where they rank the marlins?

[Namaste]

I think Miami is 10th.

Rays are #1 I believe

[Nick]

Glad to see Conine is coming back for the Throwback weekend, hopefully the issues he had with Jeter and Co. are water under the bridge.

[tjfla]

Ignoring domestic abuse issues, Russell would be a fantastic on the field add with 2 years of control. He could really be a longterm solution. If those are the guys they are offering though, that's a joke. Russell is much better than that. Still, not sure you want to touch Russell at all with his past unless you are really confident he is a good person that has changed which is tough...

The rest of that seems obvious. I'm sure the Richards July 25th price is much different than July 31st price. No harm in keeping him at all.

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I think you just did.

Aug 1, 2020 is going to be Sixto, Caleb, Pablo, Gallen, and Sandy/Neidert, with a top 100 prospect E. Cabrera, maybe Garrett/Rogers, behind them for maybe 2021, and with Yamamoto, Dugger, etc. as depth in AAA as the have options. I'm not sure why Lee is complaining.

They need to spend on two major bats.

Ya they were trying to steal Russell but Cubs counter was to rich for us

They dont really wanna trade Caleb BUT if they can get a bat they love they will. No Chavis fan here but Denbo/FO seem to love him

Caleb and Rojas(or other vet) for Frazier,mid level and 1 or 2 Denbo faves they would do in a second. Issue is NYY is looking at bigger targets right now(SF/Toronto/Texas/Det)

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I think Miami is 10th.

Rays are #1 I believe

Best part is they should go higher if play cards right. Urena trade and some more IFA $ then Top 5 Pick and go BPA again

They will stay in 7-10 range because most guys will be graduating in 2020

[tjfla]

Tyler White traded to LAD

Now Houston is DFA Tony Kemp!!!! Miami needs to offer some RP for him fast

Offer Tyler Kolek and when they say no offer Graves or Brigham

Pompey/Kemp are in DFA limbo I would take either 1 of them of Riddle or Puello

[fish16]

Tyler White traded to LAD

Now Houston is DFA Tony Kemp!!!! Miami needs to offer some RP for him fast

Offer Tyler Kolek and when they say no offer Graves or Brigham

Pompey/Kemp are in DFA limbo I would take either 1 of them of Riddle or Puello

im sure the astros would be just jumping for joy to get tyler kolek

[lou]

Can no one ever say Kolek's name again from here on out?

Kemp would be great if the price is right. Perfect bench guy. Man the Astros are stacked.

[tjfla]

Can no one ever say Kolek's name again from here on out?

Kemp would be great if the price is right. Perfect bench guy. Man the Astros are stacked.

Deal Nothing until he is released!!

Well that got a Scrubb for Tyler White-Andre Scrubb 6'5 265lbs RP with Eveld numbers in AA so thats probably there asking price(arm who doesn't need to be on 40 man which we have tons of) for the DFA guys

Perfect for us. 2B/4th OF LHB with some power(better Herrera/JT Riddle)

Thats what good drafting will do for u. U get guys like Tony Kemp in the 5th Rd instead of guys who cant get out of A Ball. This is why TB/Houston/NYY/SD have such good systems-they take baseball players. They dont worry about anything(size,bonus,scouting reports) they see a baseball player and get him. Marlins before these guys were looking for next Stanton and could care less if the kids #2 sport was even baseball and were always looking to save a dollar