June Game Thread

[fish16]

not sure whether he's throwing a slider or a curve, but every time i watch elieser his offspeed stuff jumps off the screen with its movement. Not sure he will fit in the rotation long term but he looks like a potential dominant reliever. Also he looks so much like Juan carlos oviedo aka the artist formerly known as leo nunez from his delivery and body type.

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Watch this video of what monte did last night in AAA. If that was some sort of stupid way to get an advantage in that situation fine, but if he was doing that as a way to prove something or send a message to someone he needs to be suspended. It's 5-5 in the 9th and the game doesnt really matter anyways, he should be up there hitting away every single minor league AB (as a righty even though that should go without saying)

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Harrison is out tonight after rolling his wrist diving for a ball in the outfield Explains here that he tried to play through it and as a former switch hitter, his thought was to bat lefty. @cakesbaseball mgr. Keith Johnson was looking to protect Harrison from further injury.

That explains the monte thing. Stupid for him to go up there and do that though. if you cant even bat normally you shouldnt be going up there trying to play thru it.



Quick Elvis Andrus update- on pace to hit .307, .803 OPS, 32/36 SB's, 14 hr's, and 56 total XBH's. All while still being a positive defender. Please sign andrus this offseason over didi. He is the better, more consistent player, and has been throughout his entire career.

[Namaste]

Combined WAR 2017-2018

Elvis: 5.3
Didi: 8.6

*I left out 2019 because Didi only has 59 AB’s this year.

[fish16]

Combined WAR 2017-2018

Elvis: 5.3
Didi: 8.6

*I left out 2019 because Didi only has 59 AB’s this year.

weird that you left out 2019 because Didi has barely played after an elbow injury but kept in the entirety of last year where andrus played every single game after he got activated with, wait for it, after an elbow injury. It's not like 2019 and recent injuries play more into what can be expected in 2020 next year or anything. you're not signing a guy for 2020-2022 based off what he did previously in a great hitting ball park surrounded by nothing but top tier talent in a ballpark that caters to left handed hitters more than any ball park in the game.

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or did i miss the part where future stats can be predicted based off previous lineups they were fortunate to play in and previous hitting ballparks? also love the changing of subject/completely ignoring of when youre proven wrong on a dumbass opinion that you cant backup because every stat proves your opinion wrong on miguel rojas being any negligible difference compared to hech. But thats what namaste does, he acts as if he is this beacon of information despite never posting anything of substance and then changes the topic when proven wrong.

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I would sign neither of them to any deal longer than 2 years for the record. They both are above average shortstops, both nondeserving of long term deals because you dont give long term deals with big money to above average players. Any deal for 2 years or less for either of them, fine, but if you sign didi for more than 2 years acting as if he will be anything special, you deserve the fate you get as a middling small market club who still clearly has no idea how to run a cost efficient and good team at your salary structure.


Also, didi was injured all of this year until the last few weeks, Andrus was pretty much injured all of last year after an elbow injury fucked him up for last year. But the last year either of them was healthy was 2017, and andrus outperformed him by .1 WAR according to fangraphs. They are the same age, and both have been in pretty good hitters ball parks, except that 1 was surrounded in the last 2 years by stanton, Judge, Sanchez, torres, etc, and andrus was surrounded by..... choo and gallo? and not in a park that caters to lefties like yankee stadium.

This decision whether to offer andrus 2-3 years and didi 4-5 is beyond stupid. That's my only argument. You can get didi type WAR from Andrus for 2-3 years while your young players are still under team control without committing yourself to a player like didi for 4-5 years who has not proven shit not being around great players AND a great ballpark

[Namaste]

Wow this guy

[fish16]

Wow this guy

classic move. i was expecting more of a "5 whole paragraphs of more than 1 sentence??? god forbid i actually read other information" kind of response. kudos to you for fighting against that urge of a different excuse to actually confront your uninformed opinions. the next time you're actually able to back up any kind of opinion with statistics rather than bullshit deflections will be the first.

[lou]

This decision whether to offer andrus 2-3 years and didi 4-5 is beyond stupid. That's my only argument. You can get didi type WAR from Andrus for 2-3 years while your young players are still under team control without committing yourself to a player like didi for 4-5 years who has not proven shit not being around great players AND a great ballpark

Ignoring the fact this has been pointed out to you multiple times before, can you clarify for us why Andrus is going to opt out of 3/$43 and sign a cheaper deal with the Marlins for 2-3 years?

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god forbid i actually read other information" kind of response. kudos to you for fighting against that urge of a different excuse to actually confront your uninformed opinions.

An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day

[fish16]

because 2 years 40 million or so is better for him than 3 for 43

[lou]

bwcsuse 2 years 40 million or so is better for him than 3 for 43

On what planet is Elvis Andrus getting $20 million a season, because it isn’t this one.

Tip your bartender

[fish16]

On what planet is Elvis Andrus getting $20 million a season, because it isn’t this one.

Tip your bartender

so your argument to get Andrus cheaper is that he isn’t worth 20 million. I’d agree, if it would take less I’d give him less, but it 100% makes sense for the marlins to throw cash at short term improvements on shorter term deals rather than being the dunce franchise that feels the need To waste long term money because “we have payroll space coming up.” Spending money in free agency for the sake of spending money in free agency is how non contending teams operate. My problem with Didi isn’t giving him money, it’s with giving him money past 2 years. It’s a contract that a dumb small market team trying to foolishly appease its fans would sign, not one that is actually focused on winning would make. Spending in the mid tier of free agency is how awful small teams become perpetually awful

My exact question is on what planet is Didi worth more than 15+ million over more than 2 years? You’re overrating him as if you’re expecting more improvement from a guy who has shown his peak performance and is already past whatever his prime was.
As for Andrus, paying him a little extra while he is under contract for 2 years is a much better use of long term cash allocation than a guy like Didi who you are praying improves after 30, if not you’re resigning yourself to overpaying an above average player, which is fine in the next 2 years but is not fine long term, which is my entire point

As for what world we are in spending money on Andrus, the world where he is worth $20 million over 2 years as opposed to the same aged Didi worth a similar figure for 4-5. Money to us doesn’t matter, specifically in the next 2 years. You sign short term deals for the next two years and take risks. You don’t foolishly give long term contracts to guys who have not once shown the ability to be anything more than above average at best and are already 30 years old.

[tjfla]

When it comes to $ for FA remember Miami has cash to burn. They are gonna overpay for a guy as #1 The "plan" calls for close to 80-100 million payroll and #2 Boras is probably gonna call them out in offseason for not signing his 34 yr old FA to a 6 yr 200 million deal

If our payroll is 50 million NO one is gonna be happy-agents,owners

The "plan" is Top 3 Pick this year and next year Top 3-10 Pick with getting the guys ready(Diaz,Sixto,Harrison)and getting rid of guys who aren't in plans. 2021 they expect to be compete

Before people bitch about plan-This is Project Wolverine or whatever its called. The plan that Jeter pitched to other MLB owners when he wanted to buy the Marlins

[Lee Stone]

Marlins will not spend anything in free agency for at least a few years. One or two FA would make absolutely no difference and there has been no increase in attendance or TV revenue. Until the hundreds of millions in debt is repaid, I expect the Marlins to go Tampa Bay cheap.

[fish16]

When it comes to $ for FA remember Miami has cash to burn. They are gonna overpay for a guy as #1 The "plan" calls for close to 80-100 million payroll and #2 Boras is probably gonna call them out in offseason for not signing his 34 yr old FA to a 6 yr 200 million deal

If our payroll is 50 million NO one is gonna be happy-agents,owners

The "plan" is Top 3 Pick this year and next year Top 3-10 Pick with getting the guys ready(Diaz,Sixto,Harrison)and getting rid of guys who aren't in plans. 2021 they expect to be compete

Before people bitch about plan-This is Project Wolverine or whatever its called. The plan that Jeter pitched to other MLB owners when he wanted to buy the Marlins

Knowing you are going to overpay for a guy for longer than 2 years but doing it anyway because it’s part of a “plan” from 2 years ago is just a horrendous way to construct a roster and build a healthy organization. I can’t put into words how dumb it is to spend foolish money long term for the sake of spending money. A smart baseball team makes every last dollar you spend worth it. If you want to get to the payroll figure, do it on 1-2 year contracts and then do it again in a year or 2. Spending money long term on guys you know will immediately become overpaid is how you end up with bad players and 0 payroll flexibility. Kind of like signing Chen and Prado to deals longer than 2 years because they filled a “need”

[fish16]

They need to build it like the rays build their team. Im not saying dont give big money to anyone, im saying you do it in the context of the market you are in and the needs you have based on short term deals. You dont spend big money 4 years from now because you have money available now. You give a 1-2 year deal to someone rather than giving them a long term dea for no reason, and then as a smart organization you can do it again when that guy comes up.

The rays needed a starter, they got charlie morton on a 2 year deal rather than sign another big name pitcher to a 4 year deal because they are a healthy organization who knows that they can develop their own starters and dont want to be stuck overpaying someone 4 years from now. They needed a decent OF, they gave Avisail Garcia 1year, 3.5 million. The a's do it all the time as well. Because those are smart teams who know how to build a sustainable team and healthy organization and have consistent payroll flexibility.

[Namaste]

Riddle so bad in CF

[Lee Stone]

Riddle so bad in CF

so inexperienced