June Game Thread

[fish16]

Imagine thinking Hechavarria is as good as Rojas

imagine looking at their stats after this long of a sample size and thinking there is any meaningful difference between the 2. Rojas has an 83 OPS + for his career that is helped tremendously by the fact that he was in the minors sucking for 2 full years while Hech was foolishly being trotted out in the majors sucking up here, and yet he is still in the same shitty ballpark with a 75 OPS+. Hech's OPS+ is also brought down and would be around the same if in 2013 he wasnt firmly implanted as our starter for 550 AB's and put up an OPS + of 56 while Rojas was terrible in AA that year.

They are both glove first bench players at best that should never be up in a big time situation if you can help it.

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Sure would be nice to trade Rojas while his WAR is 2.4.

Not a bad time to strike a trade with Yankees to net Frazier or Andujar. Caleb Smith maybe?

his WAR is 1.1. You're using an awful calculation from basbeall reference. If we asked for Frazier or Andujar for rojas we would get laughed off the phone.

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who the hell is going to be our all star this year? We have several guys performing pretty well but pretty much everyone who might be worthy hasnt played enough due to injury or is injured now.

[lou]

Sure would be nice to trade Rojas while his WAR is 2.4.

Not a bad time to strike a trade with Yankees to net Frazier or Andujar. Caleb Smith maybe?

Lee, I posted a few weeks ago a difference between bWAR and fWAR. You should be using fWAR.

You'd also never get those guys, but they could maybe get a really good LHP reliever prospect for him, FV40+ maybe. I'd do it.

[Namaste]

Rojas has an 83 OPS + for his career that is helped tremendously by the fact that he was in the minors sucking for 2 full years while Hech was foolishly being trotted out in the majors sucking up here, and yet he is still in the same shitty ballpark with a 75 OPS+. Hech's OPS+ is also brought down and would be around the same if in 2013 he wasnt firmly implanted as our starter for 550 AB's and put up an OPS + of 56 while Rojas was terrible in AA that year.
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Make your excuses for Hech if it makes you feel better.

[fish16]

Make your excuses for Hech if it makes you feel better.

statistical proof that one guys OPS + is siginificantly lower for his career because he was forced to be an everyday player while Rojas was playing terribly at AA that same year at the same age isnt an excuse. They are the same player with a negligible difference between the 2, rojas with a slightly better bet and hech with the better glove. every statistic proves that. You simply dont like to hear that. If Rojas was forced to play every day in the 2 years Hech was while Rojas was still sucking in the minors, their numbers would be even closer and given how terrible of a hitter Rojas was early on, he might have a lower career OPS + if he too was given those 750 ab's that Hech was given before Rojas even made his major league debut.

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https://www.fangraphs.com/splitstool...ers=&sort=-1,1


There's hech's numbers from the day Rojas made his major league debut till today. go compare those to rojas' numbers. the difference is negligible and you just want to believe what your heart is telling you is true rather than what the statistics actually prove.

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Hech's OPS since that point: .656.
Rojas Career OPS- .655.

NEGLIGIBLE DIFFERENCE

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If you want to further dive in and see just how similar they are:
WRC+ for Rojas in his career- 80, WRC+ for Hech in that time 77,
WOBA during that time, Rojas .286, Hech .282,
wRC- 156 for Rojas, 189 for Hech
ISO- .081 for Rojas, .101 for Hech

Or, if you want to just go by standard stats- both have exatly the same average at .260
Rojas has 15 HRs and 88 total XBH. Hech has 27 HR's and 126 XBH's because he was asked to play everyday as opposed to Rojas who was given an opportunity to succeed as much as he could be playing in a platoon.
Rojas is 16/25 on sb's in his career, hech in that time was 20/25.

So please do continue to act like they are different players, they arent.

[Namaste]

That’s quite a triggered post. Here, let me help you........they’re similar players. But to my original point weeks ago, Rojas is a much better hitter in big spots.

[fish16]

That’s quite a triggered post. Here, let me help you........they’re similar players. But to my original point weeks ago, Rojas is a much better hitter in big spots.

im sure that is totally what you meant by "Imagine thinking Hechavarria is as good as Rojas" and the comment that initially started this thing off a week ago which was "Miggy Ro is a really good defensive shortstop. To compare him to Hech is a little insulting."

Not really all that triggered. took me 3 minutes to look up the stats to show they are essentially the exact same hitter. i've been saying they are similar players this entire time.

There's no such thing as a clutch hitter if that's what you're saying. If you're saying you'd rather have rojas up in a big spot, i said that 2 weeks ago as well because he puts the ball in play more. Doesnt make either player anything less than a terrible option in a big spot.

[Lee Stone]

I mentioned Rojas in response to another post. Of course he has very little trade value.

Frazier and Andujar were my suggestions as middle of the order trade targets for someone like Caleb.

[fish16]

I mentioned Rojas in response to another post. Of course he has very little trade value.

Frazier and Andujar were my suggestions as middle of the order trade targets for someone like Caleb.

My fault, i read your post wrong. As of now you dont trade Smith. I was for it earlier in the year when he was dominant, but his value has tanked since the injury obviously. If he comes back and dominates maybe you can get a big package for him in which case id do it or at least highly consider it, but more than likely you wait until either the offseason or next trade deadline when you get a better sense of our SP depth.

Frazier is absolutely a guy id look hard into getting in a package involving Urena if he is healthy before the deadline. Urena and rojas and a bullpen arm or something like that to try to get Frazier is something id love. They wont deal andujar regardless and no team is going to trade for him in the middle of him being out for the year and not knowing if his shoulder is going to be an issue long term. Id try hard for frazier and see if he can become a 1b for us since apparently his OF defense is terrible.

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alfaro is back, tayron guerrero to the DL with a blister, Brigham is up, and castillo goes back down to AAA.

[Lee Stone]

Given how well Smith started the year (top group in K per 9) and pitched in his first rehab start, I think most of his value will be restored after a couple great starts with Miami. I disagree with mgmt choice to throw him for another 90 pitches in the minors before coming back ... I'd rather the Marlins had the benefit of that start. Given his salary, control and dominance, he should be every bit as valuable as Boyd from Detroit.

[Namaste]

Guerrero has an “injury”. It’s a performance injury

[fish16]

Alfaro back in the lineup tonight. I cant wait for the day i can see diaz's name at 2b instead of Castro, and also for the day where I no longer have to see Yadiel Rivera taking up a roster spot and Curtis Granderson being given everyday AB's rather than a guy like Brinson being given anothe chance in a few weeks.

[fish16]

Surprised no one has brought up yesterday’s meeting between jeter, the mayor, and the director of public housing. Hopefully it’s part of a plan to greatly enhance the surrounding area

[Madman81]

the yankees are supposed to want caleb smith back for one of their studs? really?

[fish16]

the yankees are supposed to want caleb smith back for one of their studs? really?

not that it's going to happen, but it wouldnt be shocking. They traded smith and cooper a year and a half ago because they had no room on their roster, not because they hated them as players. If he is their best option at the deadline what would be so crazy about that? Cashman has enough job security where he can acquire smith back for a good prospect and the fans there will be worried about whether smith is enough to put them over the top, not the series of events that led to him being traded in the first place. It's not going to happen, but not seeing the surprise that they would want a good pitcher back even though he was in their system previously.

[fish16]

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...12608370561025


Watch this video of what monte did last night in AAA. If that was some sort of stupid way to get an advantage in that situation fine, but if he was doing that as a way to prove something or send a message to someone he needs to be suspended. It's 5-5 in the 9th and the game doesnt really matter anyways, he should be up there hitting away every single minor league AB (as a righty even though that should go without saying)