Season Super Game Thread

[Maddawg]

i dont know how much longer they can continue to go with tazawa at this point. They dont want to cut him because of the money but he's a complete lost cause at this point.

I agree. Are you shocked ?

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Also a bad break for Rojas......should have been a double.

Now Bearclaw.....lets see if he has something tonight

[fish16]

I agree. Are you shocked ?

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Also a bad break for Rojas......should have been a double.

Now Bearclaw.....lets see if he has something tonight

no but i didnt mind them just keeping him on the roster if he would just be competent. they literally cant pitch him and they have got to get rid of him very very soon.

[Namaste]

i dont know how much longer they can continue to go with tazawa at this point. They dont want to cut him because of the money but he's a complete lost cause at this point.

Between this Tazawa nonsense and Brinson being in the majors and batting 8th I’m incredibly confident in new ownership and it’s Front Office.

[fish16]

Between this Tazawa nonsense and Brinson being in the majors and batting 8th I’m incredibly confident in new ownership and it’s Front Office.

i cant imagine brinson is up here for much longer either.

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mattingly again taking out bour for defensive reasons. absurd.

[Maddawg]

Between this Tazawa nonsense and Brinson being in the majors and batting 8th I’m incredibly confident in new ownership and it’s Front Office.

Even this incompetency was below Loria...he sure as hell would have had Brinson down at the very least. This franchise is just doomed to live in the Twilight Zone...

[AdamRavs]

The funny thing through all this. Is we are only 10 games under .500. Also Castro playing his way to be traded.

[fish16]

if we cant get a good prospect for him and he's willing to, id consider signing justin bour through his first few years of free agency. We have nothing close in terms of huge pure power bats at 1b

[lou]

For the life of me, I don't understand the Hernandez infatuation. 4 ERA in A+ Carolina League last season; nothing shinier at Jupiter or Jacksonville this year either.

You can't teach arm talent and his stuff projects to be effective at higher levels - versus college starters who can get by until AA before hitters can catch up to the command and fastballs. You really got to reassess the minor league numbers as they are not the end all.

[lou]

The funny thing through all this. Is we are only 10 games under .500. Also Castro playing his way to be traded.

The season is going as well as one could expect, besides most the non-Anderson hitting prospects:

-Anderson is definitely going to be a longterm starter somewhere
-Ca. Smith might be having some sort of real breakout into a viable # 3/4 SP
-Urena has improved and could also be turning into more then a # 5
-Steckenrider, Wittgren, and can't believe it Tayron, are looking like a real legitimate RHP bullpen core
-Jarlin has had his moments, and at worst is probably a plus reliever
-Alcantara, Gallen, Richards, Peters, and Meyer are really solid in AAA
-Neidert, P. Lopez, Quijada, and Brigham are really solid if not great in AA
-Castro, Bour, Barraclough, and Realmuto are improving their trade value
-Rojas is probably tradeable for something now too

That's a pretty good spread if the longterm 3B, # 3 and # 4 SP, and half your bullpen is figured out, with a half dozen guys being traded at the deadline for a bunch of more good prospects and a bunch of arms are working out in the minors.

Brinson is just terrible.
Sierra and B. Lee are terrible in AAA
Diaz and Harrison are completely underwhelming in AA
You have to get to B. Miller and Dunand doing a little bit in A+ for anything offensively
Nelson is doing some good work in A ball.

I still think they have to heavily target more pitching with the next wave of trades and first pick in 2018 draft, but their offensive prospects are really bombing besides Anderson, maybe Nelson, and barely some positives to say about Miller, Dunand, and Monte. That's the only bummer to me, but it has only been 7 weeks so we'll see.

[Erick]

Considering the garbage this franchise has given money to, overpaying JT Realmuto to stay here would be just fine by me. Can WeI Yin Chen make himself useful and donate half his salary maybe?

[fauowls44]

The Truth is told

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They overpaid by $300 if not $400 million. Manfred was so anxious to get Jeter in, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Manfred cut a deal with some if not all the owners to loan Sherman/Jeter or MLB some of the extra money just to get Loria out & Jeter in....we'll probably never know the whole story but there could be some kind of deal like this.

But it just seems strange that you would pay 40 to 50% overpay and not just tell Loria thanks but no thanks....that is a lot of money to overpay......something just isn't kosher about it.

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yeah but it's already cost waaaay more than $1.1 billion he bought the Dolphins for. He's paid for two stadium improvements totalling over $500 million out of his own pocket (and rightly so he owns the stadium & the Dolphins). And now he wants a new training facility.....that is going to cost even more. Doesn't matter too much I guess his net worth when he bought the Fins was $4 billion, it's now over $7 billion. The richest or one of the top 3 in the NFL......and growing fast.

That's true, he likely does have around $2 billion invested at this point with the stadium renovations and now the tennis center he's building there. But the point is, whatever he has invested (and it's a lot) he won't ever lose money at the end. Forbes had the Carolina Panthers valued at $2.3 billion and that's what they sold for. They had the Dolphins at nearly $2.6...and that will only go up. The same will likely be the case with Jeter/Sherman. All you ever hear from people is that they "overpaid". They paid $1.2 billion, but in a few years, that will probably look like a bargain too with a new TV deal and other increased revenues (gambling money, naming rights, etc.). I don't remember the last time a sports franchise in the big 4 leagues sold at a loss.

[Lee Stone]

The season is going as well as one could expect, besides most the non-Anderson hitting prospects:

-Anderson is definitely going to be a longterm starter somewhere
-Ca. Smith might be having some sort of real breakout into a viable # 3/4 SP
-Urena has improved and could also be turning into more then a # 5
-Steckenrider, Wittgren, and can't believe it Tayron, are looking like a real legitimate RHP bullpen core
-Jarlin has had his moments, and at worst is probably a plus reliever
-Alcantara, Gallen, Richards, Peters, and Meyer are really solid in AAA
-Neidert, P. Lopez, Quijada, and Brigham are really solid if not great in AA
-Castro, Bour, Barraclough, and Realmuto are improving their trade value
-Rojas is probably tradeable for something now too

That's a pretty good spread if the longterm 3B, # 3 and # 4 SP, and half your bullpen is figured out, with a half dozen guys being traded at the deadline for a bunch of more good prospects and a bunch of arms are working out in the minors.

Brinson is just terrible.
Sierra and B. Lee are terrible in AAA
Diaz and Harrison are completely underwhelming in AA
You have to get to B. Miller and Dunand doing a little bit in A+ for anything offensively
Nelson is doing some good work in A ball.

I still think they have to heavily target more pitching with the next wave of trades and first pick in 2018 draft, but their offensive prospects are really bombing besides Anderson, maybe Nelson, and barely some positives to say about Miller, Dunand, and Monte. That's the only bummer to me, but it has only been 7 weeks so we'll see.

Agree with most all of this. Nelson hasn't played yet this year (will eventually appear at Jupiter). Austin Dean has had a tremendous break-through this year and should be joining the Marlins soon.

[Maddawg]

That's true, he likely does have around $2 billion invested at this point with the stadium renovations and now the tennis center he's building there. But the point is, whatever he has invested (and it's a lot) he won't ever lose money at the end. Forbes had the Carolina Panthers valued at $2.3 billion and that's what they sold for. They had the Dolphins at nearly $2.6...and that will only go up. The same will likely be the case with Jeter/Sherman. All you ever hear from people is that they "overpaid". They paid $1.2 billion, but in a few years, that will probably look like a bargain too with a new TV deal and other increased revenues (gambling money, naming rights, etc.). I don't remember the last time a sports franchise in the big 4 leagues sold at a loss.

I hope so, but so many things going on right now leave me with grave doubts as to our future, and the economy is certainly part of that.

With Baby-Boomers dying off and after-Boomers and Millenials replacing them, who do NOT watch nearly as much TV especially baseball. The bubble has to finally burst reguarding Sports TV. Yes the SCOTUS decision is a possible game-changer, but I also see potential political & economic problems looming ahead.

Without getting too political, an over-view of the present situation it looks like the Trump administration is set on regime change in Iran. This will be a much bigger and costlier war than the one in Iraq. This drain on the economy will cripple many families especially if they have to institute a draft to get enough armed personnel. I see a very big danger of this happening and I think economically it will be a huge disaster for the US and sports and franchises will suffer.

And because of the tax cuts on the rich & corporations, the only way to pay for this war will be slashing help for the poor and needy and taxing the working class. Sports will suffer because of this....no doubt in my mind. The disposible income of the lower classes is going to be drastically reduced.

There is so much more to this subject.....

It's also been 10 years so the market is also due for a big correction. Those hurt the economics of most families, and lead them to forgoing a lot of entertainment such as baseball.

Then there are the Marlins ratings. Unless those rise significantly I don't see any big bump in the amount of money they will be getting. $20 million more a year won't buy you many good free agents these days. Unless the players too understand this and start accepting less...I'm very curuious to see where this will all go in the next 6 months.

[tjfla]

No talks or anything but looks like ANOTHER team will be looking at JT

Minnesota Twins

They lost Castro for the year. They have some interesting prospects-Nick Gordon,ML Ready Arms

The JT market in July is going to be fun to watch-Wash/NYM/Minn/Toronto/Houston all want and need a C

[fauowls44]

I hope so, but so many things going on right now leave me with grave doubts as to our future, and the economy is certainly part of that.

With Baby-Boomers dying off and after-Boomers and Millenials replacing them, who do NOT watch nearly as much TV especially baseball. The bubble has to finally burst reguarding Sports TV. Yes the SCOTUS decision is a possible game-changer, but I also see potential political & economic problems looming ahead.

Without getting too political, an over-view of the present situation it looks like the Trump administration is set on regime change in Iran. This will be a much bigger and costlier war than the one in Iraq. This drain on the economy will cripple many families especially if they have to institute a draft to get enough armed personnel. I see a very big danger of this happening and I think economically it will be a huge disaster for the US and sports and franchises will suffer.

And because of the tax cuts on the rich & corporations, the only way to pay for this war will be slashing help for the poor and needy and taxing the working class. Sports will suffer because of this....no doubt in my mind. The disposible income of the lower classes is going to be drastically reduced.

There is so much more to this subject.....

It's also been 10 years so the market is also due for a big correction. Those hurt the economics of most families, and lead them to forgoing a lot of entertainment such as baseball.

Then there are the Marlins ratings. Unless those rise significantly I don't see any big bump in the amount of money they will be getting. $20 million more a year won't buy you many good free agents these days. Unless the players too understand this and start accepting less...I'm very curious to see where this will all go in the next 6 months.

That's a lot to take in in one post.

Bottom line is that I just don't think that the Marlins will get half of what the Rays did for their TV deal. I think with increased sports gambling, live sports on TV will become even more valuable and local TV dollars will reflect that.