Season Super Game Thread

[Namaste]

34% catch probability. That was amazing.

[Nick]

Nice to see Tayron Guererro playfully juggling the ball on the mound after he just faced four batters walked in a run and don't record an out.

[Maddawg]

I don't get it. Why is everyone so high on this guy Guerrero ? Everytime I see him pitch he walks folks and gives up runs. Just because you can throw it 100mph it doesn't mean anything if you can't get outs.

And then Brinson does that......this guy is just not an MLB player. Fish16 can argur til the cows come home, but this guy just plain sucks.

[fish16]

I don't get it. Why is everyone so high on this guy Guerrero ? Everytime I see him pitch he walks folks and gives up runs. Just because you can throw it 100mph it doesn't mean anything if you can't get outs.

And then Brinson does that......this guy is just not an MLB player. Fish16 can argur til the cows come home, but this guy just plain sucks.

you do realize im in the majority opinion, correct? you saying he's not an MLB player and is a bust is not only ridiculous, but its by far the minority opinion both on here and around baseball, so you can stop specifically mentioning my name whenever you troll about him

[Lee Stone]

you do realize im in the majority opinion, correct? you saying he's not an MLB player and is a bust is not only ridiculous, but its by far the minority opinion both on here and around baseball, so you can stop specifically mentioning my name whenever you troll about him

The interview with Mattingly after last night's game was the first inference that Brinson will be sent down. I'm guessing soon. It's a tricky situatiom in that only Maybin and Shuck can play center. Therefore, to bring up left fielder Austin Dean, for example, requires multiple lineup moves. Rojas to SS and Dietrich to third? Castro traded and Dietrich to 2B? Anderson back to third and Dietrich to RF? We'll see, I guess. The bottom line is that Brinson's swing needs mechanical adjustment. His performance is identical to that with the Brewers last season. Two different hitting instructors have failed to help him.

[Maddawg]

you do realize im in the majority opinion, correct? you saying he's not an MLB player and is a bust is not only ridiculous, but its by far the minority opinion both on here and around baseball, so you can stop specifically mentioning my name whenever you troll about him

So you are with the majority, is that supposed to intimidate me or make me fall in line like a good little soldier and just agree with you. MLB scouts have been consensous on many players in the past that have never panned out, and in MY OPINION they are wrong once again. Can you show me definitive proof he is otherwise at this point to prove me wrong other than others opinions ? Show me on the field play that can convince me otherwise.

By the way those assesments were made BEFORE he's shit the bed with the Marlins this year. If you canvassed their opinions again now, many of them may have changed their minds.

And give up the idea YOU DICTATE WHAT I CAN POST ! You are frustrated that I called you out on your love for this guy earlier in the season and that he hasn't proven me wrong yet. If you would just admit the guy is not what you made him out to be, before the season, and apologize for calling me out for just stating my opinion I'll drop it. But you can't bring yourself to do that because of your ego.

[Lee Stone]

So you are with the majority, is that supposed to intimidate me or make me fall in line like a good little soldier and just agree with you. MLB scouts have been consensous on many players in the past that have never panned out, and in MY OPINION they are wrong once again. Can you show me definitive proof he is otherwise at this point to prove me wrong other than others opinions ? Show me on the field play that can convince me otherwise.

By the way those assesments were made BEFORE he's shit the bed with the Marlins this year. If you canvassed their opinions again now, many of them may have changed their minds.

And give up the idea YOU DICTATE WHAT I CAN POST ! You are frustrated that I called you out on your love for this guy earlier in the season and that he hasn't proven me wrong yet. If you would just admit the guy is not what you made him out to be, before the season, and apologize for calling me out for just stating my opinion I'll drop it. But you can't bring yourself to do that because of your ego.

All would benefit from making the forum about the Marlins and not the posters.

[Nick]

You just got to bite the bullet and make Maybin the every day CF while Brinson is down. Hopefully Brinson goes down has a month that matches what he's done previously in AAA and comes back a more confident player. Hard to believe it's taken this long to make that move. They aren't doing the kid any favors keeping him up. If Brinson goes down to AAA and struggles, or doesn't show improvement when he gets back from AAA, then I'll be worried. As of right now I'm willing to chalk up his struggles to an adjustment period.

[Lee Stone]

You just got to bite the bullet and make Maybin the every day CF while Brinson is down. Hopefully Brinson goes down has a month that matches what he's done previously in AAA and comes back a more confident player. Hard to believe it's taken this long to make that move. They aren't doing the kid any favors keeping him up. If Brinson goes down to AAA and struggles, or doesn't show improvement when he gets back from AAA, then I'll be worried. As of right now I'm willing to chalk up his struggles to an adjustment period.

Yes, that or an inability or unwillingness to adapt. Good hitters seem to change their approach with two strikes. Brinson swings aggressively regardless of the situation.

On Guerrero. Consistency is key for a relief pitcher. As of now, he's more thrower than pitcher. No question in my mind that New Orleans is where he belongs. Unlike most, I see Alcantara in the Marlin BP right now. His velocity and lack of pitches (FB and slider are it) are suited to an inning or two. He has been successful in reducing walks, essential for him.

[Nick]

Yes, that or an inability or unwillingness to adapt. Good hitters seem to change their approach with two strikes. Brinson swings aggressively regardless of the situation.

His approach has been absolutely terrible. Not aggressive enough early in the counts and then over aggressive when he gets behind in the count. I have a hard time believing he was able to put up the numbers he did in the minors with this approach, which leads me to believe the problem is upstairs. Granted Major League Pitchers are more adept at being able to put batters away, which is definitely part of it, but I have to believe his issues at least partly mental/confidence.

[Lee Stone]

His approach has been absolutely terrible. Not aggressive enough early in the accounts and then over aggressive when he gets behind in the count. I have a hard time believing he was able to put up the numbers he did in the minors with this approach, which leads me to believe the problem is upstairs. Granted Major League Pitchers are more adept at being able to put batters away, which is definitely part of it, but I have to believe his issues at least partly mental/confidence.

One theory for explaining Brinson's success at Colorado Springs (where his K/W rate was a relatively good 2/1) is that pitches don't break as much there. While Colorado air is known for adding distance to struck balls, the consequence for pitchers is even greater. Thin air=lack of friction=lower spin rate=less ball movement=a helluva lot easier to hit. It should be noted that Brinson's home numbers at COS last season were a full 100 POINTS higher (both BA and OBP). So, I conclude that pitch spin/movement is Brinson's problem. New Orleans, where the air is thick like Miami, should help him adapt. Another option is trading him to the Rockies!

[Namaste]

Walking is the furthest thing from Brinsons mind when he’s in the batters box.

Last night he miraculously got to a 3-0 count and he took a pitch on the corner for a strike and there was no way he was going to walk after that.

He has raw power (which can’t be taught), and he’s an elite defender (despite last night).


He needs TONS of work on his approach at the plate.

And that work needs to start in AAA.

[Nick]

I understand Brinson took off when he got to Colorado Springs, but he was an .800+ OPS guy pretty much at every stop before he got to Colorado Springs so I'm not willing to say the environment was solely responsible for his success.

[fish16]

So you are with the majority, is that supposed to intimidate me or make me fall in line like a good little soldier and just agree with you. MLB scouts have been consensous on many players in the past that have never panned out, and in MY OPINION they are wrong once again. Can you show me definitive proof he is otherwise at this point to prove me wrong other than others opinions ? Show me on the field play that can convince me otherwise.

By the way those assesments were made BEFORE he's shit the bed with the Marlins this year. If you canvassed their opinions again now, many of them may have changed their minds.

And give up the idea YOU DICTATE WHAT I CAN POST ! You are frustrated that I called you out on your love for this guy earlier in the season and that he hasn't proven me wrong yet. If you would just admit the guy is not what you made him out to be, before the season, and apologize for calling me out for just stating my opinion I'll drop it. But you can't bring yourself to do that because of your ego.

Yet again I must tell you, as I have already proven to you multiple times with evidence of my posts, that I said he wasn’t big league ready despite his spring stats. All I said was you can stop calling me out specifically when everyone but you and lee on this site has the same opinion as me.

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Walking is the furthest thing from Brinsons mind when he’s in the batters box.

Last night he miraculously got to a 3-0 count and he took a pitch on the corner for a strike and there was no way he was going to walk after that.

He has raw power (which can’t be taught), and he’s an elite defender (despite last night).


He needs TONS of work on his approach at the plate.

And that work needs to start in AAA.

Completely agreed. And our terrible team and his service time issues make it even more obvious than it was coming out of spring training t hat he needs to be sent down. There is literally no downside to sending him down for a month until the trade deadline or around there

[Maddawg]

Yet again I must tell you, as I have already proven to you multiple times with evidence of my posts, that I said he wasn’t big league ready despite his spring stats. All I said was you can stop calling me out specifically when everyone but you and lee on this site has the same opinion as me.

You completely miss what forum discourse is all about. You continue to believe and refuse to apologize for calling me out on my opinion on the dude, and doing it with childish name-calling a few months ago.

NO ONE on this board, unless they have a secret ID (and with that credintials that give them superior authority) that not all of us are privy too, can claim that anyone else's opinion is anything other than their opinion.

Unless I am mistaken you don't meet those qualifications. And if you do, why are you spending time on a fan message board and not in Jeter's face day in and out about the Brinson situation ?

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Another option is trading him to the Rockies!

I'm all for this one.